Perfect Dark. 8 player multi over Live @ 60 FPS. Join us tonight, Fal!

[Fal2002]

yeah I was wondering about that.

me and fal both have 3.71 on dual A and he's first because he has more 100 more points than me, I guess he hit HS and I didn't.

Someone below us has 100 more than me, so there is obviously something else that i didn't do. I wasn't sure whether i got a headshot or not to be honest on that run.

[Mallow]

Ngamer, you old fool. There are actually three L's in my gamertag.

[Jimbo]

I still don't have PD, wildly busy lately!

[dragondragon18]

Yeah, Fal.  I'm still trying to figure out if dead center headshot counts more than just a headshot.  The main point is that the points aren't necessarily from your record time.  It could be from a run 20 minutes slower.

[wheatrich]

that screen glitch cost me 3 hours of stats.  Second time I haven't backed out and if you don't it won't save.  This @#@#$@#$@@#$ game.

Not sure if the type of headshot matters but I think you could shoot the guy in the leg, the arm, then the head and that'd be worth more points than just a standard headshot.

[bcks]

What about a back of the head shot?, or a double head shot?, or a nut shot? Try those out for points.

[Saint Shang]

Took a few days, but ive managed to pull myself away from MW2 to buy this game. Controls were instant for me, except i'd prefer the crouch on the D-pad. Done most of the firing range, though the slayer rockets don't always explode, perhaps a glitch. I'm happy to add people, n i'll try n add those from the front page list. If I get time I'm up for co-op, counter-op and multi. Might not be on my mic depending on the time I'm playing it, but i'd like to join the fun.

[youseinthehouse]

i want to play PD fun with everyone

I'm with you.  I wonder if I can convince my brother to lend me his 360 for a little while.  Maybe I'll offer to buy him a year of Live or something.  The main problem here is FF13, and how he just bought that...

[Jimbo]

Alrighty, I downloaded PD, and I absolutely DESPISE the controls because they're pretty much mirrored to the N64 controller. The audio/video however is totally mindblowing and I'm loving the experience!

Edit: I don't mind the controls anymore, and I beat all of PA (including WAR!) in about 6 hours of play. Multiplayer was a ton of fun and now I'm after all the achievements!

[failurewarning]

enjoying myself but being frustrated at the same time. Just missing 1 achievement no. 1 leader board crown and 1 gamer pic.

[The-Elite-MYT]

enjoying myself but being frustrated at the same time. Just missing 1 achievement no. 1 leader board crown and 1 gamer pic.

that's because you're a glitcher

[failurewarning]

nope, I'm hardcore

[Fal2002]

I have serious doubts of your hardcore status!

[ChodhE]

So apparently you unlock the name's dark... crown by completing PA with auto-aim off.

[Quiet Bol]

That sounds like something that would have been nice to know BEFORE starting PA.

[Jimbo]

Yeah, I'll never get that crown now. I can't aim with right stick to save my life as it is!

[Mallow]

More importantly, who are all these guys that keep adding me? 

I recognize that old fart mangamer as well as ChodhE (how the hell does one pronounce this name anyway?)

[dragondragon18]

You could try reading the first post of the topic for starters.

[Mallow]

They aren't listed. I guess they're a bunch of randoms

[vitor]

Hey guys, don't forget to make videos!

[Ngamer]

Updated the opening post- we're up to 38 Eliters with PD!  If you have it and you still aren't listed, just friend me and I'll add you a little later.

But anyways we had another awesome multi session last night.  It was 8 player madness with me, QB, Jimbo, Lanky, Third, wheat, Comet, and Ninja.  We also had Cedric from Japan and My Cousin Vinny sub in for a few games here and there.  Two moments I wanted to highlight:

* 6 player Combat FFAll in Skedar, I start the game in the big room down the hall from Sandy with a Cyclone.  Pop out and see QB way across the canyon picking up guns, so I randomly spray in his direction.  It only gets him to half health, but Jimbo starts freaking out over the mic- he'd just come around the corner with an RCP120, fully cloaked, and couldn't believe I'd blindly headshoted him from a mile away.  Then 10 minutes later the alarm starts going off that the round is about to end, and QB has me cornered at the entrance to Balcony.  He comes around the corner with an RCP120, then cloaks as I scramble to reload my Cyclone.  Since there's only 3 seconds left I just unload the entire clip in the general direction of where I last saw him- and I get credit for the kill just as the results screen pops up, showing that I'd finished first place by 1 kill!

(Which goes to show the kind of crazy lucks it takes for me to win an FFA... though to be fair my teams usually do pretty well when we partner up.)

* Second highlight was an 8 player Combat FFA in the Ravine, with Farsights and power weapons (Callistos/Maulers/Cyclones).  We had a really good time with it, but then Jimbo made the suggestion "I wonder what that would be like without radar?"  So we did a straight up rematch but without the radar... and wow was that intense- probably my favorite match we've done all year!

[Cyberwrath87]

No radar matches would be pretty cool. Are those even possible w/ stuff like KotH or CtC?

Either way, farsights should probably be excluded on no radar matches. You could hide in some random corner for awhile and nobody would find you!

[Carathorn]

damnit Jon, you misspelled my screenname in the first post of this topic!

[GoldenGreg007]

Damn, I need to get in on these Elite FFAs..sounds like a good time.

Anyway, I just heard that Rare is officially releasing an update in late April.  They posted the following on their Twitter:


#PerfectDark title update 2  set for late April! Achievement fixes, Southpaw & Legacy controls, Swap Triggers, aim sensitivity sliders...

...plus Solo & Team 'Hardcore' playlists (no radar or auto-aim). All issues investigated, some had too many knock-on effects to implement.

[ChodhE]

Looks like the game will be patched next month :

-   The bug with the "Tools of the Trade" achievement that keeps players from being awarded the gamer points will be fixed.  
-   Legacy and Southpaw controls are being added.
-   Players will be able to swap triggers.
-   Aim sensitivity sliders are being added.
-   Solo and Team "Hardcore" playlists are being added that remove radar and auto-aim.

http://xboxlive.ign.com/articles/108/1080439p1.html

Edit : Looks like GG beat me to it :P.

[TreAKAHotdog]

good.  i will be buying pd next month then!

[wheatrich]

and none of that seems to deal with the secondary fire issue or the lack of being able to choose teams issue  which are the only two things I have a problem with atm.

There already is a sensitivity slider.  I guess they mean a better one  *shrugs*

[gamingguru507]

DAAAAMMMNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  What an amazing game! Amazing. Absolutely beautiful touch up!

I'm just getting myself back into it because after an hour or so of very random weapon and map combinations I've realized that I forget the majority of PD maps. Fear not, a few more days I might be able to snag a few kills here and there with random NGamer headshots, and a few more weeks or so who knows. Not that a slaughter of people care to challenge the gamingguru507 in some online gaming (*cough* not that anyone has the game but I will annihilate anyone in Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3- I'm also rather formidable at Lo 3) but I'd rather just add a few ppl here and there and then hop in when matches are goin down.

[gamingguru507]

also, any eliters at the top of the leaderboards yet??

[ChodhE]

weath. what issue do you have with secondary fire ? and I believe that when they say "Aim sensitivity sliders are being added" means that a new one will be added for when you aim pressing the LT button.

[Fal2002]

I sure hope they do fix the achievement issues, my xbox says i have only got 17/20 achievements when infact i have 19/20 as it states on xbox.com and when i compare so i hope that gets fixed.

[TheFlash]

That's weird, Fal....if they're popped on the Xbox.com/other sites, but not on your xbox, you should recover your gamertag or something and they might show up.

Wheat what is a secondary file.

[Quiet Bol]

He means the secondary function doesn't stay selected. So if, for example, you switch your fists to "disarm" while playing multi, and then you die, you'll be right back to "punch" when you re-spawn. That's the most annoying one for me, but there's not much reason you'd use the Phoenix, K7 Avenger, CMP150, etc on their primary function either, so it's pretty lame having to switch every time you pick the weapon up.

[ChodhE]

Yeah, I've noticed that, though I couldn't remember for the life of me how it was back in the N64 version. I guess you just get used to it =/.

[vitor]

"but there's not much reason you'd use the Phoenix, K7 Avenger, CMP150, etc on their primary function either"

wtf CMP on the 2nd function wrong

[Ngamer]

Greg seems super interested, so here are all the current PD Live WRs.  In parens are what we've done on the N64.


Perfect Dark World Records

Defection
A - 5.53, PSK (6, many)
SA - 37.60, Wyster (32, Toth)
PA - 1:44.73, Wyster (1:23, Cedric/Taka)

Invest
A - 1:35.21, Cedric (1:27, Clemens/Ace)
SA - 2:23.66, ??? (2:09, Boss/Clemens)
PA - 2:45.63, JT (2:36, Clemens/Taka)

Extraction
A - 47.96, Cedric (48, Clemens)
SA - 1:26.30, Cedric (1:18, Clemens)
PA - 1:38.78, Cedric (1:31, Clemens)

Villa
A - 1:10.58, Cedric (1:06, Clemens/Ace)
SA - 1:22.31, Cedric (1:15, Clemens)
PA - 1:47.38, ??? (1:29, Clemens)

Chicago
A - 15.73, ??? (15, many)
SA - 29.50, JT (27, many)
PA - 31.03, ??? (27, Ace/Taka)

G5
A - 38.78, ??? (36, Clemens)
SA - 52.80, JT (41, Clemens/Ace)
PA - 1:11.65, ??? (52, Clemens/Ace)

Infiltration
A - 1:11.51, Cedric (1:11, many)
SA - 2:00.38, Cedric (1:30, Cedric/Ace)
PA - 2:21.36, ??? (1:42, Taka)

Rescue
A - 1:25.18, Cedric (1:25, many)
SA - 2:21.26, Cedric (2:17, Clemens)
PA - 3:02.61, Cedric (2:41, Clemens)

Escape
A - 2:23.65, Taka (2:23, Clemens/Ace)
SA - 3:23.55, Taka (3:16, Ace/Bully)
PA - 3:56.81, ??? (3:18, Bully)

Air Base
A - 1:16.73, Taka (1:14, Cervone/Clemens)
SA - 1:58.41, ??? (1:42, Clemens)
PA - 2:29.73, ChodhE (2:05, Bully/Taka)

AF1
A - 58.88, ??? (54, many)
SA - 1:28.46, JT (1:20, many)
PA - 1:32.18, Cedric (1:26, Ace)

Crash Site
A - 1:21.58, ??? (1:15, FB/Taka)
SA - 1:34.78, ??? (1:27, FB/Taka)
PA - 2:17.78, Cedric (1:52, Taka)

Pelagic
A - 56.48, Taka (46, Clemens)
SA - 2:04.90, ??? (1:41, Clemens)
PA - 2:28.18, ??? (1:57, Clemens)

Deep Sea
A - 3:13.15, Taka (2:28, YE/MM)
SA - 4:41.21, JT (2:59, Bully)
PA - 3:28.66, Cedric (3:10, Bully)

CI: Defense
A - 48.53, ??? (49, many)
SA - 1:32.60, JT (1:24, Taka)
PA - 2:08.66, ??? (1:37, Lucid/Taka)

Attack Ship
A - 2:25.71, FW (2:10, many)
SA - 3:01.03, JT (2:35, Boss)
PA - 4:07.06, FW (3:12, FB)

Skedar Ruins
A - 1:26.36, Taka (1:08, MM/Bully)
SA - 1:58.41, ??? (1:23, Bully)
PA - 2:14.60, ChodhE (1:30, Bully)

MBR
A - 1:20.86, Taka (1:19, Boss)
SA - 1:23.28, Taka (1:21, Boss)
PA - 1:26.83, Taka (1:24, Boss)

Maian SOS
A - 1:36.58, ??? (1:36, Ace)
SA - 2:14.15, ??? (1:53, many)
PA - 2:32.73, ChodhE (2:02, Ace)

War
A - 27.06, ??? (25, many)
SA - 55.68, ??? (45, Ace)
PA - 1:04.86, ??? (53, Ace)

Duel
A - 3.66, ??? (3, many)
SA - 6.70, Fal (6, many)
PA - 10.23, ??? (9, many)

OVERALL TIME
A - 27:08.99, ??? (23:39, Taka)
SA - 42:34.55, Cedric (32:30, Ace)
PA - 50:01.31, ??? (37:58, Taka)

[ChodhE]

Well time to get rid of all those ??? ! ;P

[Fal2002]

Must say i am pretty annoyed by the Duel A times, i can't for the life of me get any better than 3.71. I honestly don't see how quicker i can get.

[Mallow]

For now I'm happy being top 10-15 on a lot of levels upon first completion (I go for semi-speedy first completions with few exceptions)

I must say, I had forgotten how frustratingly retarded Skedar Attack is (completed PA, doing SA & A now)

I totally love retrying 25 times for the right pillars and then having something retarded and random occur to fuck it up.

Anyone else have that one special (literally) level(s) that grinds your gears beyond all reason? ChodhE seems to be cruising through the game with no probs

Also, I could hardly believe my eyes when I had apparently beat a time set by the almighty SnapDragon (he probably used no auto-aim and had 100% headshots, though...while going backwards)

[Jimbo]

Does the Laptop Gun still kill all the rooftop snipers on Villa PA? I'm going to *destroy* my old time and get at least a top 3 if it does!

[dragondragon18]

Nope.  It only shoots 50 bullets now.

[Ngamer]

The videogames board has been updated to "PDX and other Games", so feel free to head there for any high score/speedrun/PR discussion you would like to do.

[Fal2002]

Recovered my profile last night and my achievements have gone back to normal for PD thankfully. Didn't really want to do it as it takes about 1h 30 mins for my profile to be recovered but oh well its done and sorted now.

[matt8k]

Xbox marketplace twitter feed reports advanced controls coming to PD:
http://twitter.com/ForensicGunk/status/11434371568
The screenshot shows such updates as aim sensitivity and swapping trigger buttons.
Also a mysterious option called 'Legacy'.

[Infil]

Secondary fire reset is the big one for me! Good for 4J studios for patching in all this stuff!

By the way, challenge 30 is quite a bit harder on the 360, I found. My brother and I are ch30 experts (as many eliters seem to be); it was more or less the only thing we did in PD multiplayer for about 8 years of off and on play. The sims seemed more accurate (maybe as a result of the faster framerate letting them process more AI instructions?), it seemed like they fired the magnum even faster, and in general were just harder to kill. As an example, our first two games, we lost (probably our first losses on ch30 in like 3 years), but we each got over 30 kills. I can't remember the last time we EACH got over 30 kills on the N64 version; it's happened, but it's very rare. Usually we both get mid to low 20s, or one of us will go on a spree and get high 30s/low 40s, but then there's not enough sims for the other guy to kill, and we win by points pretty quick. In these versions, we each got low to mid 30s, we each killed the sims double or more what they killed us (so we weren't dying abnormally often), but we still lost.

We'll need a bigger sample size of plays, but my initial impression is that ch30 is quite a bit harder on the 360.

Of course, with the perfectly smooth framerate, it just means we have no excuse anymore.

Also, a tie is a loss now! That's kind of a weird change from the N64 version...

[Skynet877]

Please add me to the list, my GT is: kevin1gamer

[Jimbo]

Have you played Challenge 26 4 player yet? That challenge seems utterly unwinnable and I can't imagine how difficult Challenge 30 must be now... I literally played Ch30 one time in my life on the N64 (by myself before any VA meets) and won 11-0, and never played it again.

[Cyberwrath87]

My friend Breck and I were able to do all the n64 challenges on 3P and 4P using only us two (just imitating the 3P/4P settings, b/c having 2 dead controllers in tiny quadrants seemed dumb) challenge 26 was definitely top 3-4 hardest just because there are so many sims and they can get like 5 in at once while you're still trying just to find the damn hill.

I remember challenge 30 4P was really rough w/ just two humans. I remember once the hill was in main room

, and the battle lasted for like 5-6 minutes. I'm pretty sure that we won Main Room once total in all of our attempts.

[dragondragon18]

Doesn't this belong in the pdx forum?  It's not pdn and it's not gc.

[TheFlash]

Recovered my profile last night and my achievements have gone back to normal for PD thankfully. Didn't really want to do it as it takes about 1h 30 mins for my profile to be recovered but oh well its done and sorted now.

Well at least that worked...can't believe your profile takes that long to be recovered, that's crazy.  Is it because you have so many games?