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What is the ultimate truth?
« on: February 14, 2013, 07:42:37 pm »
Lets start making this commmunity a positive place that it could be  :) The most essential, important and obvious thing that we all share, life. We were all born, and we are all going to die, so it is the truth about it that concerns us all. We all know that in the end, life all boils down to how good we feel. If the truth was something horrible, it would make sense to just ignore it and hide in the illusions of our minds, but it turns out to be the best it can be. It's my duty to share what i've found.

Truthcontest.com has been around for a little while now, started by a young man called Xavier. It's basically an open website where ANYONE can make an entry on what they think is the truth of life. This means the website is not based on beliefs, fixed views or any kind of dogma. It's an open site, but that doesn't mean you can write whatever you want, the entries are evaluated using the evidence, critical reason, logic, common sense, and scientific methods, the same methods and rules of evidence used by a US court of law, as it says on the website. In other words, religious or any kind of people have always been welcomed to make an entry, the only rule is you have to show the evidence supporting it.



The current 2 top entries are by the same author. "The Present" 100 pages, and "The Present (with religion) 240 pages + Gospel of Thomas (8 pages) the reason why there are two books, is that non religious people might find it more comfortable to read the present without religion, and religious people will most likely find it comfortable to read the one with religion. It's basically the same book, but the one with religion is the extended and complete book and it also gives you the right perspective of the truth from religion's side. These 2 entries have been the top entries for 5 years, and it will probably always be there. Nobody has been able to challenge the books, nobody has even been able to CORRECT a single thing in the books for 5 years, this tells you how accurate it is. Every section of the book is a puzzle and supports each other, in other words, the author doesn't really write by himself, he just writes what the evidence says (evidence that you can check out for yourself) and leaves his own opinions and everything that is subjective out of it. In other words, the books are the most updated source of knowledge to date that you can get, you are not going to find it anywhere else, because neither science or religion are really looking for the big fundemental picture of life. It's the only book that has ever attempted to explain the big picture of life.



The author devoted his whole life into the book, starting from when he was a teenager (he is in his 60's now) As you read on in the book and start to understand more, it makes you wonder how the hell a single man with no education or experience could have written this book. It's because of a phenomenon that has been attempted to be explained by many people, the collective unconscious (Religion calls it "the holy spirit") You will understand more about that as you study. The books are completely free online, the author has never made any money on it and he is the most fulfilled human being on earth.



Personal experience: I have been reading the present twice and the present with religion twice so far. It has changed by whole life and i am much more aware and fulfilled. I remember reading the present for the first time and being really shocked and scared by it and that is where most people stop. I continued reading and as i read the book again, i started to get the whole picture and it was a wonderful as it can get. The more times you read the book, the more things you notice, so do not let it discourage you if you understand nada as you start reading the book, it will come if you truly want it. The good news is you don't have to be intelligent to understand the book, in fact, your educated background can hurt you. You only have to be honest, rational and capable of critical thinking. I have never been religious because i knew the old man in the sky myth was just an excuse for what we don't understand in the universe, and it is. The Present with religion is by far the superior book for me, because it's the complete book and it gives me the right perspective of religion. I can now read the bible and understand it, unlike so called christians who claims they believe in the bible, but have no clue what it says, just believing in what they are told and not checking things out for themselves. I personally recommend reading the present before starting on the present with religion, but for religious people, read the present with religion if you are not comfortable with the present.



Yup, that's all there is to say! Read them, it's really a changing and amazing experience. Keep in mind that there will be a lot of things you don't understand until you have read the whole book, or twice like i have. If you disagree with parts of the book, or can find evidence to prove something wrong, write your own entry! Everyone can be a judge that way. Gogo!  :)

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« Last Edit: February 14, 2013, 10:08:19 pm by InkosiDeVinyl »
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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2013, 07:48:39 pm »
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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2013, 08:08:37 pm »
We were all born, and we are all going to die, so it is the truth about it that concerns us all.

I'm not sure that you can say this as fact. It is only theory. In theory, science has the possibility of advancing farther and faster now, than ever before. In theory, suspended animation could work, as well as de-aging. Yes, it is a fact that under the current scientific circumstances, we will all eventually die. The only problem with that being a solid fact, is the future. Most of us are adolescence or very young adults and we have long expected lifespans. It's unthinkable how fast science can advance in 40 years, in theory.

We all know that in the end, life all boils down to how good we feel.

I dont see this as true for each person as it should be. Take mass murderers for example, most of them probably feel good when they kill people (ala Dexter) but I think that at least a few of them didnt actually take pleasure in killing people, but took pleasure in the fact that once it was all over, they would have an amazing legacy.

With my opinions expressed, I'll view life as I always do. My perspective is the only one, any other perspective is just feedback that I might use to improve my perspective, but I wouldnt go out of my way to change my perspective.

But Marc! It's cool that you've grabbed onto something to take on as your perspective, and if it's changed your life as significantly as you say, then that's just cake and icing for you.

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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2013, 10:01:07 pm »
We were all born, and we are all going to die, so it is the truth about it that concerns us all.

I'm not sure that you can say this as fact. It is only theory. In theory, science has the possibility of advancing farther and faster now, than ever before. In theory, suspended animation could work, as well as de-aging.

We all know that in the end, life all boils down to how good we feel.

I dont see this as true for each person as it should be. Take mass murderers for example, most of them probably feel good when they kill people (ala Dexter) but I think that at least a few of them didnt actually take pleasure in killing people, but took pleasure in the fact that once it was all over, they would have an amazing legacy.

With my opinions expressed, I'll view life as I always do. My perspective is the only one, any other perspective is just feedback that I might use to improve my perspective, but I wouldnt go out of my way to change my perspective.



You make some very fair points, i don't deny that, but it doesn't change the fundelmental picture of life.

First of all, that is true. Science will always snowball in the future and it is certain that much more will be known than today. It is even included in the book, it talks about that de-aging and other kinds of biological modifications will probably be available in the future (Even though that's easily possible, mankind will most likely be gone before it happens). The good news is, it doesn't change universal truth. Everything that science is capable and will be capable of in the future, is all in the laws of pysics, all that is within the universe. Nothing that science will be able to do will be of the unordinary or supernatural, it can only work with what exists. Even if mankind will be alive to see de-aging in action, nobody is going to escape death, the evidence of the nature of the balance proves that. (when you simplify it, the result of the universe in the present moment is positive/negative forces moving in balance, it always have been and it always will be) You will understand more of this if you read the book, keep studying. :)

Second of all, about serial killers, this is true. Serial killers gets sexual turned on when they cause harm, pain and fair to others. They feel really good when they do it, so it still boils down to how much you feel good in your life. Although, again, the balance proves that all the good times will be equal with all bad times (which cannot be avoided because of our immortality) If serial killers knew and understood this, they would change their ways. Keep studying.

Third, about you viewing life as you always do. This is impossible for reasons so many i can't mention. You can think of life and the universe however you want, but no matter what you'll think of it, it is doing what it is doing and it always will and it is the same for us all. We know that people percieve life differently and that mostly boils down to envrionment, culture, religion, opinions, beliefs etc. In fact opinions, beliefs and dreams is the biggest reason why mankind is divided. You do not see things the way they are, you see things the way you are. Your mind doesn't create life, it just manipulates what already exists, this is very important to understand. It's called cognitive dissonance, you can look it up and check it for yourself. It can be scary to overcome your cognitive dissonance, but if you are ready to overcome it, you will understand the book. Keep studying, don't give up :) Your eternal future depends on it.
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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2013, 11:18:19 pm »
You're so fucking condescending Marc, seriously get the fuck over yourself.

No matter how right you think you are don't go around talking to people like they are dumb as shit. You have no fucking clue how to behave in a social environment. Even if you are right, it will mean fuck all in the end. You don't know how to talk to people as they currently are, no one will listen to you, and you will die leaving no impact on earth.

I'm not argueing that you're wrong Marc. I'm argueing that you've now turned into an arrogant cunt. Fuck you.

Someone move this piece of shit to Free For All.

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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2013, 11:37:38 pm »
What Karl said is pretty much how I feel any time I log on to Facebook and see this

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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2013, 12:16:04 am »
Yeah I'm also very annoyed when I get those truth contest things all over my home page on Facebook. I understand you're very interested in it but a lot of us don't care.
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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2013, 12:41:35 am »
If you're not interested, then simply don't check this topic. Nobody is forcing any of you to read what he writes.

And Karl, you seem quite angry lately. or maybe you're intentionally doing some level of trolling. I don't find his writings condescending. I don't see him calling people dumb. You're just looking through a negative viewpoint at it, most likely which was already decided before even reading and understanding the content of what Marc has written.
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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2013, 12:48:33 am »
Wouter:

This topic is considered spam. It doesn't matter if I want to read it or not, it doesn't belong here. Good try though Wouter :)

I haven't been angry lately, it's just your perception. Good try though, keep studying my posts and you'll get it soon! :)

You can't change the truth. The truth is that Marc is condescending. Study his posts again and you might understand. Give it a shot! :p

This does't have anything to do with Marc's content Wouter, it has to do with his attitude. You were so close though :)

You made fair points Wouter but unfortunately you just don't understand it yet. Don't worry though, study our posts some more and I'm sure it'll come to you in time :):):):)

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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2013, 12:56:25 am »
Karl - At least you're not arguing with me being wrong. I'm not talking to people like they are dumb shit, we all have the equal opportunity as long as we are being honest with ourselves, but i have the duty to act when i know. Anyway, i personally don't care if you read it or not, because it doesn't have any effect on my future, but i have to share this as long as i live in my current body, because that has a major effect on my future after i die. The thing is there might be other people in this community who wants the same opportunity as i have gotten. There are people around the world who are interested in this just like me and their eternal future depends a lot on it, so at least don't shut the opportunity for them, let them read it if they desire to :)

As for Neo and Phillip, you are a few clicks away from avoiding seeing all my stuff. You need to "unfollow" me on fb and you will never see any more updates from me on fb :) I share a lot of this stuff for other truth seekers on fb and a few others, since they appreciate it very much, just unfollow me :)

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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2013, 01:09:53 am »
There are people around the world who are interested in this just like me and their eternal future depends a lot on it, so at least don't shut the opportunity for them, let them read it if they desire to :)
No one wants to shut the opportunity, Karl just wants the topic moved.

Also, I know I can unfollow you but what if you post something that I am not able to see because I've unfollowed you and it is actually interesting?
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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2013, 01:31:45 am »
I'm not going to post any GE stuff or anything anymore, so you can unfollow me, don't worry :)
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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2013, 03:25:19 am »
If you don't care then don't post in this topic and just unfollow/remove Marc. Pretty simple. :nesquik:

I was planning to read The Present a while ago but it didn't really seem engaging to me after I quickly went through a number of pages. I dunno.

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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2013, 04:31:56 am »
Yeah me and ace had some nice convos about the present on fb a little while ago. Wouter read the present and is halfway or so with the present with religion, Stefan Persson is reading it as far as i know.

Not much of it seemed engaging to me when i only read a few pages, although i deeply subconscious knew it was true, and i was just thirsty for more and the thirst just keeps growing. It's not really before you get to the section "the nature of nothing" which works as a backbone for the book and the last sections following, that you start to get the picture. If you don't want to read the book, that's cool :) I respect that choice just as much as i respect my own choice for reading and studying it :)
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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2013, 08:53:15 am »
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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2013, 11:41:53 am »
Explain to me how Marc is being condescending?

First, let's check if we're on the same page for the term. What is your definition of condescending?
Then, please explain to me how Marc's writing falls into that definition.

Let me try to do the same regards to your own post (Karl) and to Brio's post just now.

I'll go by the definition here http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/condescending

Why not trying to introduce something that'll put more creativity and better goal for your life?

This sounds more condescending to me, because you imply you know his life, the creativity in it, and his goal. Also implying that his creativity and goal are not good enough.

I haven't been angry lately, it's just your perception.

Notice I said "seem", yes that's my perception. Your usage of adding "fuck" to try and get points across (or whatever other reason it may be) suggests anger in my perception. You don't have to stoop to someone else's (percepted) level to tell them they're condescending either. (You even resorted to saying "Fuck you")

You can't change the truth.

I agree.

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This topic is considered spam.

This is a topic in General Chat aimed at people interested in the truth.
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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2013, 12:02:20 pm »
You're filling in for him what he is thinking.
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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2013, 12:15:46 pm »
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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2013, 01:14:48 pm »
It's not hard to see it.

It's not hard to see other things either.
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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2013, 04:07:51 pm »
Don't worry Marc, WOUTER is supporting you  :nesquik: :nesquik: :nesquik:

Seriously though, I hope you one day realise what a load of crap this ultimate truth stuff is. The sooner the better, really.

If anyone wants to read a brief introduction to 'The Present', check it out: http://www.truthcontest.com/entries/the-present-universal-truth/.

It is a masterclass in stating the fucking obvious and pretending it is deep philosophy.
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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2013, 04:38:50 pm »
Truth is not subjective. You can look the word "truth" up in a dictionary and check it out for yourself, just like the evidence supporting the book can be checked out for yourself.

I don't need something to hook at because i'm not following the flow of animal chemistry (even though it's tempting at all times) and i am much more fulfilled that way than i was before.

"other people who don't follow their religion/truth/sect/etc etc." Either you didn't pay attention to my main topic post, didn't understand it, or didn't read it. Truthcontest.com is the opposite of religion or any kind of outdated fixed belief and dogma. It is actually a site where anyone can contribuate if they have evidence for it and the book will be updated if new knowledge is found. Entries have been made and updated by different people and made it to the top, it wasn't until 2008 or so the present was submitted to the contest and it has stayed on the top for 5 years without any major changes.



Anyway, this topic was only intended for people who are interested in the truth we all share together and people who wants to be more aware. I certainly didn't have BRIO in mind when i made this topic, and I knew i was going to be negatively attacked when i made this topic about personal things that has zero to do with the website or the book. Leave my personally out of it which is far from perfect (i'm still living in the mind like most people do) it should not be the main concern here.



Lets move away from the negative and share all the positive things we can share instead  :) If you simply don't care you don't even need to click and open this topic. Anyone can contribuate to the website or the book :) (the author is open to any changes) there are no fixed views, the ONLY thing that is fixed is the evidence, because the evidence is sacred. We can all help each other and helping each other becoming more aware :) If you are not interested, i'm not forcing you to click on this topic and cause you anger or any kind of suffering. If i had a strong desire to force you into it, i would have booked a flight, bounded you up to a chair and tortured you until you contribuated to it.

Keep it positive :) Noone wants to cause you any suffering.
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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2013, 04:56:25 pm »
Stefan Persson is reading it as far as i know.

Yes, I said I'll check it out and I might (if I find the time) discuss certain things in the text I agree/disagree with. I'm currently not completely sure what it's all about or what kind of arguments it have, just curious and will be reading it with my sceptical eyes, like I would with similar works claiming the "truth".

Science and evidence is the best view of the world in my opinion and I'm not looking for any more truth than the evidence show.

Also, I hope you don't completely quit GE because your stream and talent in the game is great.

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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2013, 05:24:43 pm »
Stefan - Yup reading with a skeptical eye is the best thing you can do for yourself, that's what i've been doing all along :) And yes i agree with you, the evidence is sacred, it is common sense.

Even though i found the book amazing when i first started to read it, i remember writing a BUNCH of questions down because there was clearly a lot of things that didn't make sense, but as more i read the book, my questions got reduced because the book itself answered them and i still keep dialoge with the author and ask him something if there's something i don't completely understand and he always clarifies it for me (the evidence). I'm not looking for more truth than what the evidence shows either :)

Haha i'm going to play GE whenever i'm bored, but it's probably not going to be much. I might still pull a few untieds out of my sleeve though ;)



Brio - I appreciate your concern for me! :) But i'm doing great  :) I wish you all well for the future as well :) And thanks for helping me out with the capture card setup last summer, i appreciated that very much  ;D
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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2013, 07:01:38 pm »
Read the summary, seems like a bit of hokey to me.

I might peruse the full version if I feel bored one day, but eh, it's nothing worth getting in a huff over guys.  :kappa:

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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2013, 08:32:28 pm »
I wonder who all here smokes / does drugs etc and how they got into it, if they easily turn the other face to something new that looks bad or dangerous (or whatever you'd like to call it).
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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2013, 08:39:33 pm »
Just some random thoughts here:

My view of the "truth" without really having master knowledge of science is that I'm ultimately doomed to one day die and fall back into the same state of where I was before I was born. That "state", to me, is that blackness no one remembers and it's probably the same as being knocked unconscious or falling asleep - you never actually realize when it's happening or when your life has ended. Take the passengers on board the planes during the September 11 2001 attacks... they were dead before they had any idea they were about to die.

I do not believe in a god, an afterlife, and never had any ambition to stress my brain to the max finding out where we came from. I enjoy studying philosophy and logic, but I couldn't give less of a damn about where I'm going when I die.

The truth is that this cult thing has changed you for the worse, Marc. You are now a social outcast to a lot of the elite who used to/still respects you for being an insane speedrunner. Don't lose your friends man, they're all you've got in "this life" and all that matter.

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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2013, 09:51:37 pm »
I liked your post, Jimbo :) You had some great insights.

I personally care where my consciousness is going after my body is too damaged to support it, because being a victim of the 50/50 balance is not something i want when i know i can get the 100%, but that's just me.



A cult is really not something that makes you think outside the fixed patterns, it's merely a dogma just like today's religions and it usually is structured of leaders. Truthcontest is the opposite of a cult because it doesn't try to control you by telling what you should think and believe. I'm a "social outcast" to pretty much anyone now for not going with the flow, and i'm cool with it, i'm actually enjoying it :) I can't explain to you why right now, but i'm happy i made it out. I am still checking out the boards, having convos with eliters and streaming sometimes, if nobody wants anything to do with me, i'm cool with it :)

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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2013, 10:52:20 pm »
OK, time for a proper reply to some of Inkosi's posts in this topic.

The most essential, important and obvious thing that we all share, life. We were all born, and we are all going to die, so it is the truth about it that concerns us all. We all know that in the end, life all boils down to how good we feel. If the truth was something horrible, it would make sense to just ignore it and hide in the illusions of our minds, but it turns out to be the best it can be. It's my duty to share what i've found.

So in three lines of pure waffle, you've said 'people die'. Hold the front pages  :kappa:

Nobody has been able to challenge the books, nobody has even been able to CORRECT a single thing in the books for 5 years, this tells you how accurate it is.

This is because the book is chock-full of banal platitudes that everyone knows already.  

It's the only book that has ever attempted to explain the big picture of life.

Yeah, this is a lie, pure and simple.

You really need to read some proper literature and read some books by people who know how to write prose properly. I've read about 20 or so pages of 'The Present' so far and it is turgid at best and leaden to the point of unreadability at worst. I will try and read it all; it's not a long book (thankfully).

As you read on in the book and start to understand more, it makes you wonder how the hell a single man with no education or experience could have written this book.

He writes in very simple English with little depth, so it's pretty understandable to me.

The books are completely free online, the author has never made any money on it and he is the most fulfilled human being on earth.

Says who?

I can now read the bible and understand it, unlike so called christians who claims they believe in the bible, but have no clue what it says, just believing in what they are told and not checking things out for themselves.

This sounds pretty conceited. What makes your knowledge so great?


Keep in mind that there will be a lot of things you don't understand until you have read the whole book, or twice like i have.

You must have the patience of a monk to read this stuff two times. Thirty pages in and I'm already as annoyed as fuck.

I don't need something to hook at because i'm not following the flow of animal chemistry (even though it's tempting at all times) and i am much more fulfilled that way than i was before.

Huh?

it wasn't until 2008 or so the present was submitted to the contest and it has stayed on the top for 5 years without any major changes.

Has it been peer-reviewed by respected academics, or has it only been peer-reviewed by spurious, fly-by-night internet reviewers like ourselves? Is it a well-respected, classic book of the genre that will be read by generations to come?

You seem to be chasing these ideas down a rabbit hole to the expense of other things in your life; at least, this is what it appears to bystanders like other people in the elite. People are not questioning your right to hold these beliefs, but to be so beholden to a spurious 130-page book that has only been written on the internet has all the trappings of something cultish, I'm afraid.






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« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2013, 11:21:53 pm »
So what is the ultimate truth? Is there anything you can pull from "The Present" that stands up against other theories of truth and fulfilling ways to live life? So far I haven't heard you contribute much content, talk is cheap, etc. Being able to read the Bible is a good thing, but you haven't given any evidence that you can. There are plenty of Christians who know how to read it well, so don't generalize against Christianity because of the people that don't understand it.
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« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2013, 11:38:03 pm »
To further on that point actually, I dare you to read the "Old Testament" better than I can.

I say that simply because I'm a Jew, and I've studied it for almost my entire life as "my bible", and Jews collectively have studied it for over 5000 years, those teaching being that which I study off of.

So yeah, you tell me something I don't know, and then back it up...please.

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« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2013, 12:59:20 am »
We can all help each other and helping each other becoming more aware :)

Wrong. You are too arrogant and naive to listen to anyone else who has a different opinion to you. You preach that you care about the truth, but when people give you truth (that you're being an asshole) you tell people not to because you think it's not important. You're selective in your caring of the truth, and you keep making perposterous claims based on absolutely no evidence. In fact, most of the things you talk about are either 1. Self explanatory i.e The truth is the truth, or 2. Unprovable scientifically i.e "Truthcontest.com is the opposite of religion or any kind of outdated fixed belief and dogma.", beacuse you've read and experienced every single fucking one?
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« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2013, 01:53:55 am »
OK, time for a proper reply to some of Inkosi's posts in this topic.

The most essential, important and obvious thing that we all share, life. We were all born, and we are all going to die, so it is the truth about it that concerns us all. We all know that in the end, life all boils down to how good we feel. If the truth was something horrible, it would make sense to just ignore it and hide in the illusions of our minds, but it turns out to be the best it can be. It's my duty to share what i've found.

So in three lines of pure waffle, you've said 'people die'. Hold the front pages  :kappa:

Nobody has been able to challenge the books, nobody has even been able to CORRECT a single thing in the books for 5 years, this tells you how accurate it is.

This is because the book is chock-full of banal platitudes that everyone knows already.  

It's the only book that has ever attempted to explain the big picture of life.

Yeah, this is a lie, pure and simple.

You really need to read some proper literature and read some books by people who know how to write prose properly. I've read about 20 or so pages of 'The Present' so far and it is turgid at best and leaden to the point of unreadability at worst. I will try and read it all; it's not a long book (thankfully).

As you read on in the book and start to understand more, it makes you wonder how the hell a single man with no education or experience could have written this book.

He writes in very simple English with little depth, so it's pretty understandable to me.

The books are completely free online, the author has never made any money on it and he is the most fulfilled human being on earth.

Says who?

I can now read the bible and understand it, unlike so called christians who claims they believe in the bible, but have no clue what it says, just believing in what they are told and not checking things out for themselves.

This sounds pretty conceited. What makes your knowledge so great?


Keep in mind that there will be a lot of things you don't understand until you have read the whole book, or twice like i have.

You must have the patience of a monk to read this stuff two times. Thirty pages in and I'm already as annoyed as fuck.

I don't need something to hook at because i'm not following the flow of animal chemistry (even though it's tempting at all times) and i am much more fulfilled that way than i was before.

Huh?

it wasn't until 2008 or so the present was submitted to the contest and it has stayed on the top for 5 years without any major changes.

Has it been peer-reviewed by respected academics, or has it only been peer-reviewed by spurious, fly-by-night internet reviewers like ourselves? Is it a well-respected, classic book of the genre that will be read by generations to come?

You seem to be chasing these ideas down a rabbit hole to the expense of other things in your life; at least, this is what it appears to bystanders like other people in the elite. People are not questioning your right to hold these beliefs, but to be so beholden to a spurious 130-page book that has only been written on the internet has all the trappings of something cultish, I'm afraid.








You make some very fair points, hopefully i can clearify it for you.


1. Honestly no idea what you meant there.

2. Impossible. If all people already knew it at a conscious level, mankind would be living in a very different way now. You would know this if you read and understand the book.

3. The english used has to come in a very simple, pure and easy way to understand for anyone and it is also the best way for truth to be as simplified as possible. If you judge by one's writing, (same goes for spelling, unless it's so horrible that you can't make out the word) it's more likely that you'll miss the message the person is actually trying to reveal. For example, ten authors with completely different writing styles could be writing about the same thing. What is most important, the literature or the actual content? These different forms of writing styles can mislead readers by misinterpreting it by replacing the content which is the core, with literature. Literature, fancy words and gramma, writing of the scholar, whatever you want to call it is just misleading and an attempt to make things more complex, it makes them look like real authorities on the matter, when it can be simplified instead. Words are just the result of the mind trying to convert life into thoughts, thus trying to convert thoughts, feeling etc into words making it a mental code for life in the first place anyway. It doesn't have any value other than we can communicate with each other. Thoughts and words doesn't come any near close to the fulfillment of true life (To the point your mind only knows only what is necesary so you can leave it behind) that's why simplification should be very important.

4. Same as the third one ^

5. Says i, says the author. Besides, chasing money, wealth, power etc would just go against what he is saying in the book. The middle class is the most fulfilling place to be because of the evidence of the balance (keep reading) It becomes very obvious.

6. This question just leads to something much deeper, i'm not going to write pages about it here. It has a lot to do with the collective unconscious working behind the scenes of the myth (truth revealed in a myth) You will understand if you read the present with religion.

7. Haha i wouldn't be surprised if i am going to read the book 100 times in this lifetime, because each time i read it, i notice more.

8. You will know exactly what i mean if you read and understand the book.

9. You make a very good point here, i would have been thinking the same from you current perspective, and i did. Anyway, many people will ignore the book because of fear of change or the new. ANY big changes or revelations that has been made on this planet started out to be very unpopular, this is a fact. Examples, nobody liked Jesus very much at his time around, he had very few followers (even though his followers didn't have a single clue of what Jesus was trying to say) and was executed for being a blasphemer and a threat to the jewish elite. And look now, Jesus is one of the most popular figures ever, even though he is still being misinterpreted by religions. Take Einstein's work, which has a major influence on today's science and pysics. He was the black sheep of the family in his young days, the teachers at school didn't like him because he was always questening them and in their perspective, was a threat to their authority and Einstein dropped out. The truth is it takes a long time for uninspired people to understand or accept what an inspired person is saying, they are ahead of time and you can see this clear pattern at many points in history. Why does it always take place? Because of the collective unconscious. Right around when it was proven that earth was round, many people would deny it because it was a threat to their core belief, religion etc. People who thought earth was round got murdered. It takes time for mankind to accept new revelations and it's merely the result of cognitive dissonance. It is exactly the same thing with this book, it will take time for mankind to accept the new revelations. Usually everything that is popular was once very unpopular, it's a fact you can't deny and it shows clearly all over in the time of history.



Tyler - I'm very sorry if it appeared i was generalizing christians, everyone is reading with their own unique level of perspective and awareness. What is troublesome is that you seem to take stories and metaphors literally and the language was also very different two thousand years ago as you already know. For example, Adam and Eve. People actually think the story literally took place, when it is just metaphorically speaking with an inspired and true meaning behind it. It is the collective unconscious working behind the scenes, the truth in a myth. Besides, the bible is a lot of misinterpretations, myths and truth blended in, the myths have been glorified for ages, while the truth in them hasn't even been seen yet. The events in the bible are not even in order. If you read the present with religion, you will know exactly what i mean.

It is exactly why religion and churches have gone downhill, science was a strong competitor, and it's sad because science actually helps religion revealing the truth in them. I'm not saying i'm against religion, i'm for religion, but religious people are gonna have to wake up to the truth the bible and other religious books contain, and religion will be a lot more popular. Ateists are just as ignorant to me, because science is not even trying to reveal the big fundemendal picture of life, but rather focusing on detailed parts of life, spending an incredibly large amount of money on theory developments.  
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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2013, 02:03:48 am »
To claim to think you know why the bible was written is rediculous. You can't claim to know what someone elses intentions are. These claims are not based on scientific evidence. Therefore you are a massive hypocrit. Please stop stating facts that you have not proven.

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« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2013, 02:08:05 am »
"Anyway, many people will ignore the book because of fear of change or the new"

Hypothesis cannot be proven scientifically. Try again. The only thing that you can prove is that many people will ignore the book.

"Anyway, many people will ignore the book because it contains no valuable content." Fixed.

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« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2013, 02:16:32 am »
"For example, Adam and Eve. People actually think the story literally took place, when it is just metaphorically speaking with an inspired and true meaning behind it. It is the collective unconscious working behind the scenes, the truth in a myth. Besides, the bible is a lot of misinterpretations, myths and truth blended in, the myths have been glorified for ages, while the truth in them hasn't even been seen yet."

Assumptions based on no scientifical evidence being presented as factual. The intention of the writer(s) may have been to be taken literally. Please do not continue to make claims that cannot be proven scientifically.

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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2013, 02:49:02 am »
Marc, what are your thoughts on the Zeitgeist series of films?  Particularly the 3rd one where they discuss a resource based economy and wide use of self replicating machines, resulting in abundance (more than enough resources for everyone) so that no one is forced to work labor and pointless jobs just to survive and thrive.

If you haven't watched them, I highly recommend them.  They're a very interesting watch and the content seems right up your wheelhouse.
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Re: What is the ultimate truth?
« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2013, 03:02:14 am »
Ugh Zeitgeist. Seeing some of my friends sucked in by that rubbish was a truly depressing experience.

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« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2013, 03:12:44 am »
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« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2013, 05:58:06 am »
Hahaha, i might check them out. My guess is it has no value to true life, but i'll check at least one of them out to see for myself.
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« Reply #42 on: February 16, 2013, 06:06:23 am »
What, in your own words, "has value" to "true life?"
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« Reply #43 on: February 16, 2013, 06:19:50 am »
Marc needs to watch every single documentary every made, read every book ever written, otherwise he is 'afraid of change and the new'. He has no choice but to watch Zeitgeist on request or he is a hypocrit. He has no choice but to read every single book we recommend he reads, else he fears change and the new. By his own words.

Marc does not care for the Truth, but only cares about thinking he knows more than other people and trying to appear superior by teaching them. I don't need  evidence to support my allegations, just like you have noevidence to support half of yours. I'm right, you can't change that, it's just the truth.

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« Reply #44 on: February 16, 2013, 06:37:00 am »
From the truth contest:

Page 1:

"We have come a very, very long way, but we have a little further to go. The next and last step in our evolution is learning and accepting the truth of life, and this includes acknowledging our true past."

Hypothesis, future dated. Not scientifically proven, presented as fact.

"The truth will free us from the animal world we all evolved from."

Hypothesis, future dated. Not scientifically proven, presented as fact.

Page 2:

"Immortality: "It is impossible to be conscious of being unconscious.”"

Hypothesis. Not scientifically proven.

"You will die physically, but you will be born into a new physical body."

Hypothesis, future dated. Not scientifically proven, presented as fact.

"People are trying to understand the universe independent of consciousness, and it is the most important factor in the equation."

Not scientifically proven.

Page 3:

"People do not realize what Isaac Newton's third law of motion really means."

Not scientifically proven. 1. Generalising everyone's understand as one. 2. Assuming he knows what Newton meant. Hypothesis stated as fact.



Basically, this book if full of unproven, subjective nonsense. Basically everything this guy believes is stated as fact, he thinks he knows exactly what these great figures of history meant. It's a load of shit. And yet it PREACHES THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD. Biggest hypocrital shit stain of a book ever. The whole book is an ironic joke.

Make no mistake, this book does not preach the truth. It preaches this one man's opinion.

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« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2013, 06:50:29 am »
Also the book borrows from most eastern philosophies. Marc will have no idea that a lot of things in this book aren't original, and are common among the teachings of Buddhism and the Tao. Of course, Marc would not know any of this because he has no idea about anything other than this one single book.

Teachings of the 'present' are probably most famously taught about by 'Eckhart Tolle', in the power of now. However they are borrowed from most forms of meditation and eastern religions. Again, Marc knows little of this because his exposure to actual knowledge is too limited.

The difference is, this book peaches TRUTH. However, mixed in with it's eastern philosphy he also adds in the fact that he thinks he knows exactly what everyone means when they say things. He gives a list of references of past figures, and says that he knows EXACTLY what they mean. He claims to know exactly why the bible was written, exactly what the beatles were talking about, exactly what great scientists meant. Basically, he is as smart as all of these people and obviously understands them better than everyone else.

This book has no new actual information, mostly borrowed ideas, thrown in with 50% subjective opinion stated as fact. Marc would realise this if he had any experience with anything.
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« Reply #46 on: February 16, 2013, 07:08:24 am »
No hard feelings to Marc though, he is just naive, immature and inexperienced. I know like 7 years ago when I had my first awakening, I would hear one opinion, one perspective and think it was the TRUTH. But, the truth is, there are a million perspectives, and no real truth. Everything is relative. And what is true in one place and time is not true in another place and time.

What is NOW, is not NOW a million light years away. Only for you, as an individual. The truth exists differently for everyone. Also, we cannot understand the real truth. We do not live in the world of quantum physics (all probability, not actuality, however this is actual how shit works in 'reality). All that there is for humans, is perspective.

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« Reply #47 on: February 16, 2013, 07:33:32 am »
I remember when you told me to download DEEP INNER GAME by David D'Angelo and you told me how much it changed and improved your life.  You thought it was *the* ultimate truth.

Everyone just needs to learn that you only live once, and you need to seize the day.  Carpe Diem.
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« Reply #48 on: February 16, 2013, 07:45:08 am »
The ancient texts of Sumer and Babylon which speak of "divine visitors from above" are the ultimate truth.

All religious texts have these themes.  We have intended them so.

The truth is not what is present on Earth.  It is more universal.  There are what Earthlings call "septillions" of "truths" for each "planetary system" set in each "time."

Not to mention you don't even understand the concept of more than four dimensions.

Do you even evolve your mind, Earth?  :kappa:

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« Reply #49 on: February 16, 2013, 07:48:28 am »
I knew the balance was from Buddhism, it even says so in the present lol.


You just stated the truth is there is no real truth which is contradictory in itself because there would be no reality or existence and second of all you just stated what the truth is, but yet saying there is no truth. It gets too hard to get around if you try to see life from the perspective of your mind and turning it into a mental code for life, you are just giving your own mind life.

The pysical universe is that which is, it can't change and still exist, it can't break it's own laws and we all know it at a very subconscious level (some at a conscious level). You can think of the universe of however you want to, that's fair enough, it is what mankind is currently and always have been doing, we are taking it for granted and giving it all away for imaginary things, it's the cause of all war and misery in this world. The universe will keep doing what it always have been doing and it doesn't change no matter what you try to think of it, you are not paying your attention to it. Keep your eyes on the prize or you'll miss the big picture.
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