*** MOST DEGENERATE UWR IN GE HISTORY? ***

[RWG]

This is a simple question.  Who had to become the biggest degenerate to achieve a certain time here?  Another way to ask this is, which of these WRs would not have happened without the player allowing their life to become degenerate enough where they could focus on the untied for 10h/day or more?

You are allowed to vote on multiple choices in the poll.

Here are some clarifiers for each run;

Dam SA 1:16 - Marc admitted that this was achieved during a period in his life when he hadn't seen sunlight for over 4 months.  The video is horrible too.  This run could have happened in Josef Fritzl's basement.  Marc essentially kept himself in a dungeon, with no modern technology, not going outside for 4 months in order to get this.  NON DEGENERATE UPSIDE (NDU) : None.  The WR is still untied but even that doesn't overcome its own degeneracy.

Bunker 1 A 0:17 - This took Wouter 150 hours.  I'm sure he made videos of every single one of his 18 dupes as well, which is not only degenerate, but borderline insane and obsessive compulsive.  NDU: WR stlll stands to this day as one of the longest standing WRs, and was considered "the best" at the time.  Was it worth it?

Frigate A 0:23 - Very similar to 17, taking Wouter another 150 hours.  Wouter made videos of every 23 fail and 24 dupe.  He mad multiple 23 bug fails.  Just an all round fail effort causing Wouter to take way longer than anyone should have for this WR.  NDU: WR still stands.

Bunker 2 A 0:44 - Clemens life was back on track at this point, but the mere fact that this was widely considered the best UWR for the following 2 years it was achieved, but has one of the worst videos in elite history (Clemens admits this himself) makes the time completely degenerate.  NDU:  It's a rare captured video from Clemens, thank the Lord.

Statue A 2:18 - No one really knows much about Jimmy, but this WR was a culmination of 100s of hours of Statue grinding.  Jimmy saw 2:18 as being the untied he could get, and got it (on SA.)  This one just came with it later on when MR tied 218 SA.  The mere notion of 2:18 on Agent, hitting the Trev shot on Agent, and getting the FR on Agent is completely degenerate.  NDU: It's a pretty disgusting WR that might never be beaten or tied.

Streets SA 1:54 - Goose dropped from 5th to 7th and needed this UWR to maintain relevance.  Spent 100h in July, degenerating every night until 5am attempting it.  NDU: Goose earned $1500 in donations, before subscribers and ad revenue for attempting and achieving this time.  That works out to $15/hr.  Not too bad for a summer job.

Train SA 1:23 - Marc hadn't washed his fucking dishes in over a month when he got this.  Need I say more?  NDU: None.

Control A 3:56 (Clemens) - Clemens got this on shitty webcam, in the year 2014.  The time was backrolled and Clemens still hasn't provided sufficient proof.  There is little more degenerate than not caring enough to SET UP a capture card (Clemens has three) to properly capture a video.  NDU: Clemens caked this in like 5 hours so the act of grinding this wasn't that degenerate in itself.

Cradle 00A 0:35 - Karl saw this as one of few remaining UWRs he could get.  The notion of Cradle 00A 35 is so degenerate that it managed to evade existence from 2005 until 2014.  Literally no one in 9 years of Goldeneye degenerates bothered to go for the time.  NDU: Karl is a successful, well put together human being who was probably having regular sex and leading a healthy life when he got this UWR.

Aztec 00A 1:44 - Illu got this at the peak of his degeneracy.  All the crazy videos of Dam 117, 159, "Aztec 450," etc, lead up to this.  Watching Illu's Aztec untieds at the time was like going to an insane asylum and looking at the "art" that an artist who had been admitted there had made.  NDU: "Aztec 450" remains one of the best GE videos ever created.  It actually is a wonderful work of art.

Frigate 00A 1:05 - Pettit got this, more or less out of nowhere.  WAITED at the boat on a 1:05 which completed in 1:04... yeah given the odds of completion very little is more degenerate than this run.  It may stay untied forever as no one wants to put in the 10000 hours needed to get the luck of 1:04 hostages.  NDU: None.

[OHMSS]

Marc admitted that this was achieved during a period in his life when he hadn't seen sunlight for over 4 months.

[Wouter Jansen]

I voted 356 for reasons explained in OP.

My biggest grinds have been:

17 - 150 hours
23 - 120 hours (1 23 bug fail around 40 hours in)
53 - 100 hours

[flukey lukey]

is there a way to switch my vote?

[Lark]

Where is the option for White Goose creating an irrelevant stream because he lacks any real life goals and ambitions?

I'd vote for that one.

[RWG]

I think you're just jealous that I make more money playing video games than you do working as an intern in a physiotherapy clinic.

[50]

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[AZ]

voted on all but one

Interesting poll for sure at some descriptions

[Time was untied when set.]

I voted Statue agent 2:18 just since I think grinding an irrel level is the highest form of degeneracy.

fwiw i dont think my 44 is necessarily a bad video, I think the intro is just stupid. Once the run starts I think the Matrix music fits it perfectly (the end screen music just so happened to be perfectly synced), captures the mood of the run and also its a capture so lol. My idea behind the video was to try and convey the feeling of hopelessness that we all have when grinding for a wr, when dumb shit just happens every time to crush the dream. But in the end it all works out and you even surprise yourself by getting something better than you originally expected, i guess that was the idea behind the vid.

[Shadow]

44 is one of my favorite vids and I think you captured that feeling of grinding well.

[Time was untied when set.]

^thanks

Curious how come theres no goose untieds on this list btw?  Correct me if Im mistaken but streets sa 154 is pretty degenerate, silo sa 109 etc 

[Wouter Jansen]

you didn't vote for 154 yet then? :P

[RWG]

Lol at 5 votes for the 1:54.  I literally was making more than $15/hr playing it, which is what Clemens makes at Aldi.  I guess the r/speedrun butthurt crew has showed up to vote here

[OHMSS]

Around here, Aldi is actually the supermarket that pays the highest salaries. So Clemens probably makes mo money than you and his working hours are not 10pm-6am

[Time was untied when set.]

LOL i didnt notice 154 was on the poll. I still would have voted for 218 though. Streets isnt a awful level but what makes 154 degenerate is that you need more luck than skill for it, though you do still need good skill.

[flukey lukey]

sorry to Jimmy but I also voted 218 agent. Just an unbelievable reality that it even happened lol

[CreepingDeath007]

Degeneracy ftw 

[RWG]

Frigate 00A 1:05 is 100x more degenerate than Street SA 1:54.  Like this isn't even debateable.  People are only voting 1:54 to spite me

[Light]

Well, you did put it on the poll.

[flukey lukey]

Did 1:05 even take 100 hours though? How man hours did it take Luke? What's more degenerate: Playing a fun level with varied gameplay waiting for good hostages, or running streets over and over until getting the right ratio. The only factor here is that Ryan was making some money while playing. The times purely themselves seem fairly close in terms of degeneracy.

Also the fact that Like waited at the boat makes 1:05 a bit less degen because it shows he was playing smart for an untied, knew his pace and wanted best odds of completion.

[Spec]

Amy Winehouse made tons of money while going hard on psycho drugs, that doesn't make her less degen

[flukey lukey]

wouldn't there be a better word than degenerate to describe her situation? Drug Addict for example?

[Darth Vader]

Train SA 123 took around 7-10 hours (just wanted a 124 dupe). Dam 116 took like 25 hours (around 50 hour total since 117 in 2009). I was the first in the elite to have evolved into a Super Sayan II in the 116/155 period, could have gotten 60/60 WR's if i wanted, but blew it and took a nice break. I saw sunlight every day. The sunlight incident is from winter 2009 where i didn't see sunlight for 1 month.


Good going guys. Eating up the horseshit information like when you watch the news, without checking the facts for yourself Herd of sheep thou shall remain. Aztec 130 was my most degenerate WR with like 200-300 hours relentlessly from a time of 150 or so. Train 59 was pretty degenerate, 3rd. would be Dam 155.

[SimThreat]

I checked the evidence myself and it's pretty obvious marc is talking complete bullshit when he says his times took not many hours. The truth is there, anyone can go do the research. I did the research myself. Marc is a massive degen. The evidence is right there.

Please stop spreading lies Marc, I went and checked the evidence (it was right there for me to see).

[SimThreat]

I was the first in the elite to have evolved into a Super Degen II in the 116/155 period...

Fixed.

[sweetener]

The truth

[RWG]

I checked the evidence myself and it's pretty obvious marc is talking complete bullshit when he says his times took not many hours. The truth is there, anyone can go do the research. I did the research myself. Marc is a massive degen. The evidence is right there.

Please stop spreading lies Marc, I went and checked the evidence (it was right there for me to see).

This is the best post in elite history.

[Time was untied when set.]

Pretty sure marc isnt lying. I spoke to him on aim a lot back then and he seemed to cake 116 and 123 etc. Train 58 was a much bigger grind. I dont necessarily blame people for disliking his lifestyle/beliefs but when you calculate his time spent and his prs its pretty much even with anyone eles that runs this game.

[SimThreat]

Marc, I know that you are jealous because I have a great girlfriend, a good paying job and a healthy social life, but please do not resort to flat out abuse on these forums. Save that for the truthcontest.com forums.

[Darth Vader]

Train 58 took like 5-7 hours over a few days (reaped the skill for all the 59 grinding though) Exactly the same with Dam 00A. 156 took around 50-60 hours, 2-3 hours for 155.

[DYM]

Pretty sure Din Mor took me 15 minutes.

[Darth Vader]

Karl has very low self-esteem. You have inner weakness. You reveal a lot about yourself when you write something, it all shows. Your post was very desperate. You just revealed more about yourself. Your writings tells me where you're at. Do not think i don't know, i know. Nothing gets by me. I know that you know too. You are very fragile. I like you, but you force me to reveal you. I'm here to build you up, not tear you down. I'm going to make some very harsh posts from now on too, not just for you. I've been way too nice actually. I've started to become even more fulfilled by life and much more fearless. A very recent event of concentrated pain triggered this new threshold i've walked through. I'm reaping the benefits, i'm starting to reap what i have been sowing. I wish it for everyone. I never give any negativity first anymore (it's impossible, my mind doesn't allow me to do it, even if i wanted to do it) because i don't have negativity stored up in my mind. I have layed down my burden.

That is why i never tell the harsh truth about Clemens, Illu, Lockwood, Luke and other people here. They never give me any negativity. I give them the truth the easy way, i just put it out there, for people to research and check for themselves if they want to. From now on, if you give me any negativity, i'm going to demolish you completely, i'm going to reveal you, tell the harsh truth about you. I give back negativity mixed with truth. I can give negativity purposely, without being affected and thrown off my center, i do it effortlessly. I don't like doing it, but that doesn't mean i am not going to enjoy it, like i enjoy everything else. I'm like life itself, i'm a mirror. You get what you give. I create balance. I do it to teach you a lesson, just like life itself contantly teaches you. I do it with complete effortlessness. My intentions are always good, even when i'm forced to give you back negativity. If you teach her like a bitch, she is going to treat you like a bitch. That's why people say "life is a bitch" You are the fucking bitch here. So when i give any negativity, now you know why.

I actually like everyone, even Goose and Karl. I see the good and bad in everyone. I'm like a relentless discerning eye, completely objective and centered. I just do what i have to do. I would treat Karl or Goose very well if they visitted me. I'd make food for them, give them my complete attention, hang out and play GE and talk light subjects, unless you project any of your stored up mind BS negativity on me, then you are asking for it, and i am forced to cancel it out, create balance. We can have fun in real life, on here it's strictly business. My posts are going to get a lot harsher over time as i'm going to evolve more. You don't have the slightest idea how it's going to be LOL. My goal is to get banned completely from these boards. I want to see how much people will be able to handle. Do not even try to debate me or give me any of your stored up negativity, i will demolish you. I see every hidden intention. Do not think i'm aware who is doing it and when they are doing it, i know.

[Wody]

Marc there is also a harsh truth about you too as well bud. But I also respect you and you never give me shit. So why would I point out your flaws? I wouldn't. Nobody in this world is perfect and EVERYONE has a weakness.

ps I dont care if marcs post is a troll I felt like responding

[Carathorn]

My posts are going to get a lot harsher over time as i'm going to evolve more. You don't have the slightest idea how it's going to be LOL. My goal is to get banned completely from these boards.

I will help you realize that goal, this is what friends do

brb contacting admins

[AEB]

The only thing I care about the majority of the time around here is who can get the best WR's. Stop bitching about personal life, it's not fucking interesting.

[Light]

The only thing I care about the majority of the time around here is who can get the best WR's. Stop bitching about personal life, it's not fucking interesting.

^

[RWG]

I reported Marc's post

hopefully if enough people report it also he will be banned

[..]

Just full of lols.  If Marc should be banned for whatever he's posted on the boards, so should half of the other users.  If he breaks rules, he'll be dealt with, but as of right now the more inflammatory and useless posts have come from other people.

[Darth Vader]

Marc there is also a harsh truth about you too as well bud. But I also respect you and you never give me shit. So why would I point out your flaws? I wouldn't. Nobody in this world is perfect and EVERYONE has a weakness.

ps I dont care if marcs post is a troll I felt like responding

Everyone should pay attention to Lockwood's post. Did you see it? There was no negativity in it, (just a little confusion) even if it might seem like it. Look closer and pay attention, look at it objectively. Yes Lockwood, pretty much everyone has a weakness. I only know 1 person who is enlightened thus have no weakness (not the kind of "enlightement" that you think or have heard of) I knew another one too who got killed some time ago for going against the whole world, creating a heaven on this planet. That is the price you need to be ready to pay to get the message across. Jail, not eating for weeks, freezing outside for days, the worst torture, literally everything. This path is not for pussies. I know exactly what my weakness are and i know how to deal with them and work on them to pass the enlightement threshold. I pay 100% attention to them. Remember, i am only going to give people negativity if they give it to me first. That is how life works. You reap what you sow. Negativity (to cancel it out, create balance) blended in with the harsh truth about themselves (their weakness) that makes them uncomfortable to face and which they are not ready to pay attention to yet.


I encourage anyone to try and point out my weakness, because you wont be able to point anything out that i am not aware of yet. Nothing gets by me. I know exactly when your writings are objective or just a projection of your own mind. I am also much more aware of my own weakness than you are as i am more aware about your own weakness than you are.

I am actually the most weak atm, because i've gone part way on this path, i've started it and there is no turning back now. The gate to hell and heaven has been opened. If you start, go all the fucking way, or don't start at all. I've noticed how i've becomen much more fearless and aggressive recently (without feeling negative emotions). I was even fantasizing about killing people (i am not going to do that, even if there is a lot of satisfaction in the animal pleasure you get from hunting down your prey and kill it) Things are going be very bad before it gets good, if you are to walk this path. You are going to be as weak as you can be if you want to be as strong as you can be. The conscious mind is starting to shut down for me. That is what happened to people like Hitler and Charles Manson. They lived without the conscious mind most of the time which is supposed to keep the animal instinctual mind in check. You can see the result of not going all the way, just google pictures of concentration camps with piles of corpses from WW2 and see for yourself. Manson was not nearly as organized as Hitler was and lets other people do the killing for him, but his dangerous charisma is on the same level, they both have an fucking intense charisma. He is so fucking fulfilled all the time, even when he is physically in prison. Man what a guy, i admire him. Too bad the fucker didn't go all the way. He is so fucking dangerous and needs to be kept in a physical prison. What a beautiful and ugly guy. He has the best from both sides (the goal is just to have the best from the good side) If he showed up in my apartment, i would pick up my aliminium bat and attempt to slam it into his face relentlessly or die trying. I wouldn't even think twice about it. Dangerous people like that needs to be taken care of immidiately if they are not already harmless (behind bars)

I'm not going to do the same mistake however. Not going to fall this time. Going all the fucking way. Not going to be fooled by how fulfilled i feel atm and focus too much on reaping the benefits. Going to keep sowing, do good works, open up more to life and know more about it. It always gets better. Going to keep seeking until i get past the instinctual mind (the last frontier that bounds you to the animal realm), even after i've gone past the instinctual mind. This is what you risk by starting on this path. To become the most dangerous person, or the best person you can be. It is heaven or hell, nothing or everything. Even 99.9% is not enough, that is where you are most dangerous. You need to go all the fucking way. That is why i'm being harsh. It is to help you, to protect you. I want to deter those who can be deterred, right away. I don't want pussies who are not ready to walk this path to walk it. We do not need another potential Hitler. Once all the brave on this planet in this point of eternity walk this path, it will be easier for the rest to catch up and walk it too. You will notice my footsteps.

Do not think that i don't know that i am coming across as a crazy person. I am aware. As i said, nothing gets by me. If you think i am crazy, that is good. I deterred you from the path and you are not ready to walk it at all. If what i say reasonates with you, that is good, you are ready to walk the path. Life is so fucking perfect. Life unfolding. God/Life doesn't force flowers to grow fast.

[Darth Vader]

The only thing I care about the majority of the time around here is who can get the best WR's. Stop bitching about personal life, it's not fucking interesting.

Noone can tell me what to do. I am fucking relentless. Take it or leave it. I do whatever the fuck i want LOL.

[Darth Vader]

I reported Marc's post

hopefully if enough people report it also he will be banned

I see all the good and bad in you. Do not think i don't see what you are, i see you. You've always been one of the biggest pussies i've met LOL. You have a funny and dramatical personality though. I like it. Your posts makes me laugh a lot. You have a lot of humor. But what a lot of inner weakness you have. A lot of insecurity that displays. You are very fragile, ruled by your own mind. Constantly thrown left and right off your center on an emotional rollercoaster that prevents you from being fulfilled by life all the time. Do not think i don't know, i know and i know that you know. I'm going to reveal more about you if you keep giving me negativity. Just doing what i have to do. I know you fear me, Goose. You are afraid. You fear my awareness and how i am able to expose you. You need to man the fuck up.


Yes, i exist to kill the beast in man, to make him the best he can be and they know it on a very subconscious level. People are going to hate me for it. It triggers the strongest animal instict, the instinctual for survival. It feels like you are dying a lot on this path, when your animal mind starts to have less control of you. You need to really die in order to really live.

[Darth Vader]

Time to sleep, fuckers.

[RWG]

Seriously Come? Im contacting Derek about this right now.

[Lark]

The irony of Goose wanting to ban someone for making provocative posts kills me.

[Aztec Exemplar]

1:16 = 25 hrs?

Bullshit. Don't think I don't remember all the times you told me it took considerably more than that, Marc.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if you lied to me.

[Carathorn]

Marc there is also a harsh truth about you too as well bud. But I also respect you and you never give me shit. So why would I point out your flaws? I wouldn't. Nobody in this world is perfect and EVERYONE has a weakness.

ps I dont care if marcs post is a troll I felt like responding

Everyone should pay attention to Lockwood's post. Did you see it? There was no negativity in it, (just a little confusion) even if it might seem like it. Look closer and pay attention, look at it objectively. Yes Lockwood, pretty much everyone has a weakness. I only know 1 person who is enlightened thus have no weakness (not the kind of "enlightement" that you think or have heard of) I knew another one too who got killed some time ago for going against the whole world, creating a heaven on this planet. That is the price you need to be ready to pay to get the message across. Jail, not eating for weeks, freezing outside for days, the worst torture, literally everything. This path is not for pussies. I know exactly what my weakness are and i know how to deal with them and work on them to pass the enlightement threshold. I pay 100% attention to them. Remember, i am only going to give people negativity if they give it to me first. That is how life works. You reap what you sow. Negativity (to cancel it out, create balance) blended in with the harsh truth about themselves (their weakness) that makes them uncomfortable to face and which they are not ready to pay attention to yet.


I encourage anyone to try and point out my weakness, because you wont be able to point anything out that i am not aware of yet. Nothing gets by me. I know exactly when your writings are objective or just a projection of your own mind. I am also much more aware of my own weakness than you are as i am more aware about your own weakness than you are.

I am actually the most weak atm, because i've gone part way on this path, i've started it and there is no turning back now. The gate to hell and heaven has been opened. If you start, go all the fucking way, or don't start at all. I've noticed how i've becomen much more fearless and aggressive recently (without feeling negative emotions). I was even fantasizing about killing people (i am not going to do that, even if there is a lot of satisfaction in the animal pleasure you get from hunting down your prey and kill it) Things are going be very bad before it gets good, if you are to walk this path. You are going to be as weak as you can be if you want to be as strong as you can be. The conscious mind is starting to shut down for me. That is what happened to people like Hitler and Charles Manson. They lived without the conscious mind most of the time which is supposed to keep the animal instinctual mind in check. You can see the result of not going all the way, just google pictures of concentration camps with piles of corpses from WW2 and see for yourself. Manson was not nearly as organized as Hitler was and lets other people do the killing for him, but his dangerous charisma is on the same level, they both have an fucking intense charisma. He is so fucking fulfilled all the time, even when he is physically in prison. Man what a guy, i admire him. Too bad the fucker didn't go all the way. He is so fucking dangerous and needs to be kept in a physical prison. What a beautiful and ugly guy. He has the best from both sides (the goal is just to have the best from the good side) If he showed up in my apartment, i would pick up my aliminium bat and attempt to slam it into his face relentlessly or die trying. I wouldn't even think twice about it. Dangerous people like that needs to be taken care of immidiately if they are not already harmless (behind bars)

I'm not going to do the same mistake however. Not going to fall this time. Going all the fucking way. Not going to be fooled by how fulfilled i feel atm and focus too much on reaping the benefits. Going to keep sowing, do good works, open up more to life and know more about it. It always gets better. Going to keep seeking until i get past the instinctual mind (the last frontier that bounds you to the animal realm), even after i've gone past the instinctual mind. This is what you risk by starting on this path. To become the most dangerous person, or the best person you can be. It is heaven or hell, nothing or everything. Even 99.9% is not enough, that is where you are most dangerous. You need to go all the fucking way. That is why i'm being harsh. It is to help you, to protect you. I want to deter those who can be deterred, right away. I don't want pussies who are not ready to walk this path to walk it. We do not need another potential Hitler. Once all the brave on this planet in this point of eternity walk this path, it will be easier for the rest to catch up and walk it too. You will notice my footsteps.

Do not think that i don't know that i am coming across as a crazy person. I am aware. As i said, nothing gets by me. If you think i am crazy, that is good. I deterred you from the path and you are not ready to walk it at all. If what i say reasonates with you, that is good, you are ready to walk the path. Life is so fucking perfect. Life unfolding. God/Life doesn't force flowers to grow fast.

[Wouter Jansen]

The only thing I care about the majority of the time around here is who can get the best WR's. Stop bitching about personal life, it's not fucking interesting.

wondering if you realize that WR's = PL for many here ;P

[Light]

The irony of Goose wanting to ban someone for making provocative posts kills me.

He's probably made 100x more than everyone else combined.

[RWG]

The difference is that I'm likeable, charismatic, HAVE HAD JOBS BEFORE, went to university, am still loved by my family, still have friends, go outside regularly, etc.

and Marc is none of these things.

Being a cool guy goes a long way.

[Icy]

I encourage anyone to try and point out my weakness

Is it Cradle?