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Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« on: October 21, 2016, 03:01:13 am »
This is an idea I had and thought it'd be fun to put together. The premise of this is simple. Using http://www.270towin.com, or any other site that allows you to do the same, predict the winners of each state for the upcoming United States election. Winner of the poll with get a predetermined prize (probably a small cash prize, but others may add to the pot if they want).

Now scoring will be based on who gets the most states correct out of the all the states. Two ways of posting your entries are

A.) Taking a screenshot of said electoral map and posting here via

B.) Linking directly to said electoral map by hitting share and generating a link

Good luck to all!
« Last Edit: October 21, 2016, 03:15:12 am by Oklahomo »
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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2016, 12:48:25 pm »
I'll play even if there is no prize.  Prediction contests don't need a prize!

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2016, 10:44:58 pm »
will be making my pred on nov 7th. foolish to make it any earlier since so much potential for scandals and leaks

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2016, 12:32:03 am »
will be making my pred on nov 7th. foolish to make it any earlier since so much potential for scandals and leaks

Seconding this. Shall we set a deadline once polls open on the east coast?
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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2016, 01:42:28 am »
will be making my pred on nov 7th. foolish to make it any earlier since so much potential for scandals and leaks

Always predict as early as you possibly can. Revise later if absolutely necessary.  There are so many things that can happen like you forget about it on the day it was due, you're 30 seconds late and the host is really strict about time limits, you're swayed by hype in the immediate lead-up to the event.

Play it safe, predict today!

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2016, 01:43:57 am »

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2016, 08:34:32 am »

Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2016, 07:51:13 pm »





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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2016, 11:41:11 pm »
I'm pretty sure it's going to end up looking like this.


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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2016, 02:38:15 am »


It's pretty ridic anyone outside of alpha white males and the goose types of the world are voting for trump but he'll still get like 30% of the women vote or something absurd.
NC might flip but I don't see how trump can win because I don't see how he wins FL and he has to have that to get there.  OH could end up blue, if AK is blue LOL republicans.

I think trump's gonna gain some of his lost ground in the next few weeks unless another vid gets dumped.  The amazing part is literally everything people going after hillary for or not liking her for--trump's worse. 

In trumps case it's not 270 to win but whatever keeps hillary from getting 270 since R's are going to put him in, despite what would be an incredible vote differential.

Only states that aren't basically locked in at this point are AZ/NC/IA/OH all typically R states and trump winning all of them he still loses.  and that one weird neb district (and a maine one) are both tossups right now.  (not to mention some weird stuff that isn't that out there like a 3rd party winning UT)

GA/NV/FL is the next 3 possible flips and everything else is pretty safe.  I mean after that the list is MO/AK and yes, serious TX.  I don't think we need to bother considering a state that could change after this with #'s saying less likely than TX going D.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2016, 02:55:37 am by wheatrich »

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2016, 09:19:03 am »
Trump is nowhere near worse.  Trump is like almost every dude you've ever had a beer with at a bar.

Hillary has literally murdered people who stood in her path (bing search Seth Rich,) done backroom deals with countries that mutilate women's vaginas and throw gays off buildings, and probably had a deal going with Tim Kaine to be VP if he stepped down as the DNC chair and made sure they rigged the primaries against Bernie.

How in the world is anything Trump has done even remotely close to that?  And I could go on about Hillary for hundreds of times longer than that little blurb.
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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2016, 10:05:24 am »
It doesn't matter who's worse, because at the end of the day it's just a huge circus act anyway, and it'll involve positive and negatives no matter who is elected as POTUS.

Trump is fun to hate because he's an obvious piece of shit human being whereas Hillary has her shit together whether she's done what you've described or not.

What a gongshow.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2016, 04:11:04 pm by Alec McDonald »

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2016, 10:24:45 am »
Trump is nowhere near worse.  Trump is like almost every dude you've ever had a beer with at a bar.

If every dude in a bar denies climate change, is anti vaxxer, wants to nominate ultra conservatives to the supreme court, advocates war crimes against women and children, is against net neutrality, is ardently pro life etc... then America is fucked.

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Hillary has literally murdered people who stood in her path (bing search Seth Rich,)

See a therapist.

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done backroom deals with countries that mutilate women's vaginas and throw gays off buildings

Trump has done far more business with dodgy third world and emerging countries than Clinton, and it's not a crime for a charity to accept donations from statesman no matter how bad they might be, nor is it necessarily a terrible thing to do some business with them.

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2016, 04:08:44 pm »
Why is "Hypnotoad" a forum poster anyway? Has he ever speedran goldeneye?

Hillary looks better than Trump therefore she is more fit. Great, mature logic. Maybe you can elect her as your friend, rather than the person who'll run the country.

My pred: all states RED. Will be collecting my money in a bit :v

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2016, 06:01:16 pm »
If your moral compass is that "it's not a crime to accept money from Saudi Arabia, a country that literally beheads gay people" then I'm actually terrifically happy that I never have to encounter you as a human being and that you're not a relevant poster here.

I mean did you seriously just justify execution of gays and female genital mutilation under the guise that "well it's not illegal so..."
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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2016, 06:52:21 pm »
If your moral compass is that "it's not a crime to accept money from Saudi Arabia, a country that literally beheads gay people" then I'm actually terrifically happy that I never have to encounter you as a human being and that you're not a relevant poster here.

I mean did you seriously just justify execution of gays and female genital mutilation under the guise that "well it's not illegal so..."

But it's okay to do business with them?

Trump made millions from Saudi government
Donald Trump still does business with Saudi Arabia

By the way have you checked how much Saudi oil your gasoline is made from?

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2016, 09:05:09 pm »
You're not outright condemning female genital mutilation or the execution of gays.  What kind of monster are you?

Do you condemn these things?
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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2016, 01:29:54 pm »
No, in fact I fully support female genital mutilation and execution of homosexuals, and hope the new administration adopts that as policy, because that's definitely the only way you can tolerate Saudi Arabia to donating to your charity.  :-|  :kappa:

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2016, 12:04:32 am »
Here's the CORRECT, CONFIRMED, WINNING MAP 2016.




Inner city Chicago people will be too careless to vote.

We will see a great uncuckening of Oregon.

Pennsylvania will be like a 54-44 win.  Michigan similar, Wisconsin a little closer.

I wish you good fortune in the wars the come.
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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2016, 12:14:31 am »


mine is optimistic for Trump IMO
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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2016, 06:49:32 pm »
Here's the CORRECT, CONFIRMED, WINNING MAP 2016.




Inner city Chicago people will be too careless to vote.

We will see a great uncuckening of Oregon.

Pennsylvania will be like a 54-44 win.  Michigan similar, Wisconsin a little closer.

I wish you good fortune in the wars the come.

If Trump wins Michigan, Illinois and Oregon I'll eat a battery. No joke.
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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2016, 05:59:41 pm »
Trump has gained a little bit more than I thought he would (and way higher than all the "smart" people thought) since my post but I still don't see how he wins unless something huge happens. Of course some new drama bomb could drop but either way in december, the next president is either going to be in some FBI indictment or in court for raping a 13 year old.  AMERICA.

Of course if trump loses he'll call it rigged despite republicans keeping blacks from voting and the vast majority of states have republican governors so it makes literally no f'ing sense.

so if anyone wants to bet on TRUMP.  I'm betting the Hillary side at $2=$1 odds (it's about what the price is on books out there).    (ie if you want to bet $100 on trump you can win $200 from me)
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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2016, 06:16:49 pm »
the next president is either going to be in some FBI indictment or in court for raping a 13 year old.  AMERICA.

LOL'd

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2016, 10:42:49 pm »
Alright fuck it its close enough



If Trump gets a bigger "shy trump voter"/brexit style hidden vote than I anticipate, add Pennsylvania to Trump.

Predicted margins for swing states:
6.0 - Arizona
5.0 - Iowa
4.0 - Ohio
3.0 - Nevada
3.0 - Maine CD2
3.0 - New Hampshire
2.0 - North Carolina
1.5 - Florida
0.5 - Colorado (shock of the night)
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-1.5 - Pennsylvania
-3.0 - Virginia
-3.0 - Michigan
-5.0 - Wisconsin

My gut feeling odds is 65% Trump winning the electoral college, 55% odds he wins the popular vote.

I will edit based on changing data and information in the coming 3 days if needed.
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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2016, 11:07:00 pm »
I'm not sold on the shy trump vote simply because the people that like what trump is saying typically aren't shy about it.   America isn't civilized like the Brits.

I'm still accepting wagering if anyone wants to put their $ where their mouth is on trump.   Small amounts are fine.  Lines have been moving though.

The early key election night is NH, if trump wins it's gonna be a long night before a winner gets declared.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2016, 11:28:05 pm by wheatrich »

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2016, 11:49:15 pm »
This election and the voting decision this year really isn't about politics, it's about character.  It's disturbing how many americans are failing at the latter.

I admit I have a hard time with this one not to take it personally just because I've had to deal with a trump personality type in my life (and it's multiple--I hope you all never have and never will) and to me supporting trump is telling me you'd support those types of people even over me (fair or not) and I have a hard time with that.  I'm (sadly) used to it and I'm tired of it.  Majority of people suck, it's how it's always been and it's how it always will be.

Really though, you're not going to lose friends by stating an opinion like that because they weren't your friends anyway.

If you don't mind--why do you support trump?    It's just tough for me to rationalize how anyone who isn't a trump type or loves trump types (which you are neither from what I can tell) and uses their brain on things could just b/c the h2h comparison with hillary isn't remotely close as nearly everything people hate hillary for; trump or republicans have been worse at those same things.

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2016, 12:21:34 am »
If you don't mind--why do you support trump?    It's just tough for me to rationalize how anyone who isn't a trump type or loves trump types (which you are neither from what I can tell) and uses their brain on things could just b/c the h2h comparison with hillary isn't remotely close as nearly everything people hate hillary for; trump or republicans have been worse at those same things.

You'll have to educate me on this. Hillary mistreated classified information, was not cooperative with the FBI, destroyed evidence and is under 2 current FBI investigations at least and may be indicted shortly after she gets into office.

You think this is the same as a civil lawsuit?

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2016, 11:19:04 pm »
That post hit the trifecta of going way overboard with total nonsense; throwing in what I guess are supposed to be insults (one of which autism is definitely no joke here), and just saying I think X with no reasoning while also yelling at me for not giving policy reasoning... standard (a simple "I just support republican polices over democratic and don't care about the other stuff" is basically all I was asking for btw but that's obvious at this point).   You don't have to be a good person to be a good president is a fair point, hillary certainly isn't either.   It's definitely probable I don't grasp the full level of how awful hillary is as the type of women that suck that I've dealt with were all different types than her.  If we assume both are as awful as both sides think the other one is (hard to tell through the bias w/o personal experience) then everyone voting for either is a terrible person.    Standard.
   
Neither of us should waste our time anymore on this (apology to everyone dumb enough to read my posts btw) but since you asked for specific policy reasoning (I wouldn't vote trump if I agreed with literally everything he said which I don't), here's a few, then I'll shut up and stop posting which I should've done roughly 2700 posts on this board ago.

I strongly suspect the economy will be worse under trump than clinton because I think trump wants to rip up all the trade deals mostly just so he can "win the deal"--except that's not how that works country vs country--they can always later impose tariffs or stop importing our goods.  I haven't seen any plan of how it would be better for us to say rip up NAFTA (like he said he would do).

Regarding the wall.  Lately more illegals are actually leaving the US to mexico than the other way around so I guess the point of extending the wall is to keep them in?  Mexico is definitely not gonna pay for it.  If we need to get into the impracticality much less the talk of sending the troops or nat guard or whoever else to round them all up and put them on buses, I admit on that one we can't be friends.
 
You do have a point for business connections and things.  It's just stupid that stuff is the case this year with two very unlikable people running for office.  It's a shame that the third party candidates are very arguably not better candidates but this is probably what we deserve. 

You were mad I didn't point out policies but Trump doesn't appear to have any policies other than having to win all deals.  Everything else is just gonna be great with zero substance or plan of how to get there.   The fake it till you make it strategy is unlikely to be applicable for most presidential issues.

Any person of any decency isn't going to cease all contact or drop a friendship over a political ideology difference (unless you go full nazi, no good person goes full nazi).   Trying to be friends with those people isn't my thing just so I don't have to deal with some stupid thing with them that's much worse later.   Most people aren't me though.
 
Regardless of who wins, the "don't blame me I voted for Kodos" simpsons quote is gonna be mentioned by the other side somewhere down the line.

I can only assume you mean general republican talking points and you don't like general democratic talking points (for whatever reason you never mentioned).    Alright then.  I apologize to everyone for having to read my posts on this crap.  Carry on everyone I'm done.  You can have the last word if you wish.

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2016, 11:43:50 pm »
I strongly suspect the economy will be worse under trump than clinton because I think trump wants to rip up all the trade deals mostly just so he can "win the deal"--except that's not how that works country vs country--they can always later impose tariffs or stop importing our goods.  I haven't seen any plan of how it would be better for us to say rip up NAFTA (like he said he would do).
Interesting you say that since Clinton has also said she will renegotiate NAFTA. Do you think she is a better negotiator than Trump? Trump has a plan that will incentivize American business and pull our economy up. Independent analysts have predicted growth like we haven't seen since Bush. Obama has been a total disaster. Only Wall Street would disagree, obviously, since they'd prefer to continue on with the phony economy with artificially low interest rates.

Regarding the wall.  Lately more illegals are actually leaving the US to mexico than the other way around so I guess the point of extending the wall is to keep them in?  Mexico is definitely not gonna pay for it.
Wrong, and Mexico will pay. We send them $24 billion per year in remittance payments (aka leverage).

You were mad I didn't point out policies but Trump doesn't appear to have any policies other than having to win all deals.  Everything else is just gonna be great with zero substance or plan of how to get there.   The fake it till you make it strategy is unlikely to be applicable for most presidential issues.
Trump has the most detailed plans in Presidential history.

You're a goofus!

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2016, 06:15:55 am »
It's 2016 and all poker-related people are becoming libtard cucks. Talk about bringing social justice while doing a "job" based on taking money from tourists at a card table :p

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2016, 07:29:11 am »
Grav, so you're fine with handing control over a large army with WMD arsenal and the future of your country to a serial killer or other psychopath as long as his/her campaign bullet points seem swell. If you now see the problem with this extremist statement, then you'll agree that a candidate's character is important (too). If you don't see a problem, then you should be removed from public life imo.

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2016, 09:23:54 am »
Where's the balance though?

Dickwad who whips out his weiner in the White House (like LBJ provably did all the time) who has incredible policies that benefit all of his nation.

vs

Guy with pretty hair who bleats about "diversity" and makes everyone feel safe and welcome but has absolute shit tier policies that make his citizens more poor and only his government allies more wealthy.

Like obviously some character is needed but Donald Trump vs Hillary Clinton in a character test, and Trump wins every time.  He also wins with policy.  What's the problem here?
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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2016, 11:50:22 am »
looks like this "fun contest" escalated preeeeeeety quick

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2016, 11:57:43 am »
Hillary Clinton being elected is a direct threat to the livelihood of straight white males in not only America, but everywhere in the world.
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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2016, 06:10:39 pm »
Here are my updated map predictions:

Best case scenario:



Probable scenario:



I'm willing to put up a $100 bet with Wheat.

my side: Trump gets 270 or more electoral college votes
his side: Hillary gets 300 or more electoral college votes

if Hillary wins with between 270-299 votes then the bet is a wash.

Let me know if you want to make this bet by quoting this part of the post and saying "booked."
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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2016, 03:29:12 am »
We are now 1 day out from the 2016 Presidential election and things have definitely tightened since the initial posting of this topic. These are the current submissions from each player as they stand now:

Goose



Again I'll eat a battery if Oregon, Michigan and Wisconsin all go red.

Grav



Spec



Thiradell



Wheatrich



Ngamer



TroubleClef



Carathorn



What a map Cara :nesquik:

Thingy



Leone [Karter]



John [Karter]



If you wish to edit your map you may until the first polls officially open on the east coast (6 AM Eastern Time/3 AM Pacific Time). Good luck to all!
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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2016, 05:23:18 pm »


MI, WI, NM, VA, MN, very close to flipping

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #37 on: November 08, 2016, 10:39:12 pm »
sigh, don't feel like scrolling up, I don't owe anyone here on this one right?

congrats to president trump

well I was wrong, I should've listened to grav.   I mostly just feel dumb that I knew IA/OH were gonna be trump when people thought clinton would win and wasn't smart enough to correlate that to betting MI/WI/etc.    Most forecasters said hillary 90%+  and man were they all stupid.

Most of my bets were on the safe states for the free money but still gonna lose a little on a ****ing presidential election unless somehow hillary wins.  It's time to get a job I guess.  At least I didn't lose my *** anyway like some people I know did but still no matter who won we were in for a rough 4 years and the market's gonna get hammered tomorrow for sure.

Obligatory for the future.

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #38 on: November 08, 2016, 11:15:18 pm »
Again I'll eat a battery if Oregon, Michigan and Wisconsin all go red.
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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #39 on: November 08, 2016, 11:29:23 pm »
Oregon isn't going red.  No batteries shall be consumed on this day.  It's over trump won btw for those wanting to sleep.

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2016, 12:33:06 am »
Thank God.

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2016, 05:03:05 am »
I'm definitely a beta but I'm not a cuck goose, sheesh.  I was 100% sure of that post coming into this election goose--my mistakes appear to be missing rural areas showing up way more than I thought compared to 4 years ago and latinos voting for trump a bit more than they did for romney.  Still, hillary looks like she's going to just edge the popular vote, it's not *that* far off.  My picks were basically C+1.5 from what actually happened.

I will say on the positive front--at least we actually might treat our veterans now instead of telling them to go **** off.

Buying infrastructure companies tomorrow seems too easy for those that gamble on the stock market.

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #42 on: November 09, 2016, 05:22:17 am »
Hahahaha, have fun Americans. The little guy electing a tycoon to solve his problems with tax reliefs for the super rich, this gon be so good.

I love the fuck-you-establishment-and-political-correctness effect that Trump's election has. I'll enjoy his interior fuck ups and just hope his foreign policy will not be a disaster. However, I read that war would've been more likely under that snake Hillary (more aggressive aspirations towards Asia n shit), so that's actually a great outcome for me.

Could someone explain please how a super-developed country of 322 million was unable to come up with a single reasonable candidate (the Romney, Gore, Obama, McCain type)? Seems like you can't make it to the top and stick through with the endless campaigning bullshit without being/becoming a degenerate nowadays.

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #43 on: November 09, 2016, 05:24:19 am »
turns out there are a lot more deplorables than Hillary anticipated

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #44 on: November 09, 2016, 12:19:57 pm »
OHMSS - the reason they were unable to come up with a "reasonable" candidate is because of how every reasonable candidate in the past was absolutely vilified by the media and/or the people.  Romney? fucking old New England out of touch white RACIST.  McCain?  Killed people during the war, old white RACIST.  Obama?  Not from the COUNTRY.  John Kerry?  Burnt down villages in Vietnam.  George W Bush?  Idiot who only got the job because of his father.

Vilifying "normal" people, calling everyone who disagrees with you Hitler or a racist, set the tone for no one listening anymore.  It turns out that trivializing things like racism, Hitler, the Holocaust, etc, isn't a good thing, despite what the lefties will have you think.
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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #45 on: November 09, 2016, 04:26:16 pm »
OHMSS - the reason they were unable to come up with a "reasonable" candidate is because of how every reasonable candidate in the past was absolutely vilified by the media and/or the people.  Romney? fucking old New England out of touch white RACIST.  McCain?  Killed people during the war, old white RACIST.  Obama?  Not from the COUNTRY.  John Kerry?  Burnt down villages in Vietnam.  George W Bush?  Idiot who only got the job because of his father.

Vilifying "normal" people, calling everyone who disagrees with you Hitler or a racist, set the tone for no one listening anymore.  It turns out that trivializing things like racism, Hitler, the Holocaust, etc, isn't a good thing, despite what the lefties will have you think.

I actually agree with this mostly, but this is only a small part of the story. The much bigger story is the relentless bullshit pushed by right wing sources all over social media and the airwaves.

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #46 on: November 10, 2016, 01:00:17 pm »
War would have been much more likely under Hillary.  Just follow the military/industrial-complex money!  She actually laughed about killing Gaddafi, and was just so blase about the potential for a proxy war with Russia in the middle east.  The big banks financing her campaign would stand to profit the most from endless foreign entanglements.  It wasn't good.  Meanwhile, Putin has already extended an olive branch to the president-elect.

Ideally, Trump will:
Stop endless wars, bringing as many troops home as possible.  Use advanced data to fight against real, material threats with a careful scalpel, not an indiscriminate machete (Peter Thiel is leading this charge).
Make Ron Paul an economic policy advisor
Smash TPP
Remove the threat of extradition for Assange so he can walk as free as the valuable information he tirelessly provides
Enforce immigration laws

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #47 on: November 10, 2016, 07:44:21 pm »
tl;dr post again, mostly valid points this time.

I'm under the impression that it's generally difficult to emigrate into this country legally.  I've heard 3+ years even with money and family already established in this country. (there's also a fee many can't afford).  (I'm sure the white person/refugee timeframe is a lot shorter, I only have one source on the 3+ years comment tho) Enforcing laws and building more walls will just make that timeline worse because they certainly won't add more $ for more immigration officers so that will encourage people to get here quicker (thus making more illegals).  I believe the worst on this issue is in south florida and not the official border tho anyway.  The solution is not, and I repeat not, going around to people's homes and entering them by force and dragging them out.  There's already a guy trying to run for VA gov who blatantly said he will do that.

Trump's gonna spend at least as much on the military as hillary planned to despite that we already spend far more than we need to; so the "he's less likely to go to war" talk isn't accurate, it just changes the location from russia back to the middle east, trump literally said that we should just take the middle east's oil and I'm guessing they're not just gonna hand it over.  You forgot that both parties are very, very pro war.  We've already spent over a trillion on a plane that doesn't fly (this was republican btw) so any talk of less military spending under republicans is just plain wrong and the banks not profiting a lot from it (as trump's gonna repeal the latest bank regulations, you know all the ones that came after they all badly fucked up so they can go fuck it up again)

Trump's so anti establishment, all the non business cabinet members will be established republicans.  Guess again.

Countries run by dictators all are happy trump won.  Good this is not.

They will at least try to do every terrible thing they said.    There is no "they wouldn't do that"--that statement is total, I repeat total nonsense.  All of it, they're at least gonna attempt to do.  All of it.

Anyway,
Dear people that hated trump as much as I do being mad at those that didn't. 
Yeah, they voted for trump, no, they aren't racist or stupid, for many their main issue this election was pro life or jobs over everything else and that's where they voted.  Hillary wasn't gonna do a damn thing for them on either.  Realize they voted for their most important issue over the rest (or were alphas voting for another alpha or love alphas, etc) and move on.

Dear people that are mad they're being called things for voting trump. 

There are literally millions of people who share those values you could've voted for and instead you went with the one saying ridiculous racist and sexist things and has done roughly a million things that should've DQ'd him from ever being president.  Instead of telling people if you don't like it leave because that's just being an asshole and encourages the behavior that the other side is, fair or not, scared of--seek to reassure that the racism/sexism crap won't be tolerated.  It'd go a long way and we'll need you, because they're definitely going to try literally every single terrible thing they said.  Yes, they are.  The people you just voted for seriously think you agree with it.  All of it.

It's also frustrating to many that childish behavior in blocking nearly everything the other side tried to do and not appointing a supreme court judge for an absurd amount of time got rewarded.  How the heck was the supreme court supposed to go over a year with an even # of votes ffs.

Moving on, regarding pro life vs abortion, I'm more on the pro life side but I vote abortion side because I can't do so in a zero exceptions way like you all keep insisting despite some very valid scenarios and I also feel very strongly that a bunch of old men shouldn't be able to make and enforce laws about what women can and can't do with her own body.   At the very minimum, can you all please drop the attempts at preventing equipment that helps prevent women who clearly aren't ready to having kids and instead shame them into having them and then be willing to do exactly nothing to help them out later?  It'd help a lot.

Dear people who are complaining about people who didn't vote complaining. 

This system turned out what everyone admits is two bad or worse candidates and the third party ones all sucked too.  What else are they supposed to do?
 
1) Many people who wanted to vote and even many who did 4 years ago couldn't this year because people don't have the right to vote in this country anymore as voting rights got KO'd by supreme court.  If you are homeless, too bad can't vote you have to register an address.  Can't afford to pay us for the ID or birth certificate copy you need to get one?  Too bad can't vote now.  This is intentional to keep people from voting and you just supported that and it'll just get worse with that party in charge.  It was enough this year to flip WI red and maybe kept NC/FL from being blue in the end so I guess you're cool with that.  I'm not cool with eligible people being unable to vote in america myself. 

2) rural white votes are worth a fair bit more than urban votes. 
1 vote doesn't equal 1 vote, that's not right.

3) vote is literally meaningless in over half the states.   It's hard to vote when there's literally 0% chance of it mattering.

4) they keep taking away polling places in areas, so the average time it takes to vote in some areas is significantly higher than others.  Spoiler alert, it's not the places whites live.  Don't have the means to get there?  too bad can't vote.

5) we vote on tuesday, many people can't to take off work for whatever reason to vote.  We should've moved this to a saturday or make it a national holiday a long time ago.

So, that's why some don't vote, it's a silent form of protest against what is still clearly an unfair system.    If there was a fair as possible system where all eligible voters had access and ability to vote then I'm fine with your argument but we're not there yet.

Can you imagine the uproar if trump won pop vote but lost EC btw?  The uproar would've been at a minimum 200x what people are mad at the other side for.  Minimum.

The next head of the EPA will be against climate change and everything obama passed on the matter will all get repealed.  To be fair, I don't think anyone actually cares about that since we should be dead by then unless you own an east coast especially SE FL beach property.

The biggest issue with polarization is that you can get your news filtered to your biases now.  I can't watch any TV news for even a few minutes without my brain exploding at either a wrong fact or intentionally misleading statements.  The internet is the same thing for most.  That's brainwashing and it's just going to get worse in the populous.   They also intentionally get people in a furor over things that are literally nothing (ebola anyone?).

btw, my guess is trump tries to stop us from funding NATO so gl stopping Russia from invading you europe!
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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #48 on: November 10, 2016, 11:00:20 pm »
I wish a state would've won it for Harambe...


#dicksout

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Re: Elite "Fun" Contest: Predict the Electoral Map
« Reply #49 on: November 11, 2016, 12:08:43 am »
I actually appreciate and read wheats posts. Dude is smart.