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Do you support a minimum wage increase?

Yes, the minimum wage should be $15
2 (16.7%)
Yes, but the minimum wage should only be adjusted for inflation
1 (8.3%)
Yes, but the minimum wage should be adjusted for inflation and cost of living based on regions
2 (16.7%)
No, the minimum wage is fine as is
1 (8.3%)
No, the minimum wage should be lower
0 (0%)
No, the minimum wage should be abolished
6 (50%)

Total Members Voted: 12

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POLL: Do you support a minimum wage increase?
« on: December 21, 2016, 06:49:23 pm »
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Re: POLL: Do you support a minimum wage increase?
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2016, 06:52:24 pm »

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Re: POLL: Do you support a minimum wage increase?
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2016, 10:24:25 pm »
Want more workers benefits and privileges? Move to Brazil, where we have beautiful things like the CLT and FGTS!!! :D

Oh wait, no? You want to stay in Murica? Why? You have way less worker-protecting laws and regulations! It makes more sense to move here,no?

Huh?


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Re: POLL: Do you support a minimum wage increase?
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2016, 12:40:00 am »
That minimum wage jobs, if forcibly increased to wages beyond what their market value is, will be replaced by automated machines that don't need to be paid in order to save the company money so that they can continue to operate.
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Re: POLL: Do you support a minimum wage increase?
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2016, 12:41:46 am »
That minimum wage jobs, if forcibly increased to wages beyond what their market value is, will be replaced by automated machines that don't need to be paid in order to save the company money so that they can continue to operate.

But seeing as that isn't happening, and jobs are already being replaced by these shown machines, then what?

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Re: POLL: Do you support a minimum wage increase?
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2016, 02:40:01 am »
???????????????????????????????????????

Grav literally posted an example of "this happening" above.
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Re: POLL: Do you support a minimum wage increase?
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2016, 03:34:17 am »
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Re: POLL: Do you support a minimum wage increase?
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2016, 03:42:13 am »
???????????????????????????????????????

Grav literally posted an example of "this happening" above.

That minimum wage jobs, if forcibly increased to wages beyond what their market value is, will be replaced by automated machines that don't need to be paid in order to save the company money so that they can continue to operate.

But seeing as that isn't happening (wages being increased beyond their market value and prompting machines as replacements) , and jobs are already being replaced by these shown machines, then what?

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Re: POLL: Do you support a minimum wage increase?
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2016, 04:24:15 am »
Myth: Raising the federal tipped minimum wage ($2.13 per hour since 1991) would hurt restaurants.

Not true: In California, employers are required to pay servers the full minimum wage of $9 per hour before tips. Even with a 2014 increase in the minimum wage, the National Restaurant Association projects California restaurant sales will outpace all but only a handful of states in 2015.


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Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A July 2015 survey found that 3 out of 5 small business owners with employees support a gradual increase in the minimum wage to $12. The survey reports that small business owners say an increase "would immediately put more money in the pocket of low-wage workers who will then spend the money on things like housing, food, and gas. This boost in demand for goods and services will help stimulate the economy and help create opportunities."


3 out of 5 business owners support a gradual increase to $12/hour. How about an instant increase to $15/hour? 20 states still being at $7.25 is messed up but it's a lot of Midwest/southern states
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Re: POLL: Do you support a minimum wage increase?
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2016, 12:35:26 pm »
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Re: POLL: Do you support a minimum wage increase?
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2016, 01:11:03 pm »
Are you seriously using a link from "US Department of Labor" to validate your argument? Let me remind you that there are around 11k workers' unions here and they're all literal mobs, and a fuckton of useless ministries that are essentially pay4play in the political game. If you want to use a reference to defend one of the dumbest socialist shits that is the minimum wage, please use something that doesnt have an agenda with it. Just by reading Myth #2 you can see whoever wrote this piece of shit article is completely illiterate in economics.

One minor thing in Goose's (maybe Grav's?) point: Technology will override low-key jobs regardless of the minimum wage, because as technology gets better, it also gets insanely cheaper. I mean, did the Wawa sandwich bar I went to at AGDQ have tablets for you to order because they had to fire people due to minimum wage increase?

Oh, before I forget, Taylortot coming in clutch bringing up the best ever ultimate solution for world poverty, UBI <3
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Re: POLL: Do you support a minimum wage increase?
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2016, 01:38:49 pm »
I agree a lot with Peter Schiff and I think minimum wage should be removed. Sorry its a long video but He shares a lot of the same views as mine.

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Re: POLL: Do you support a minimum wage increase?
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2016, 02:05:29 pm »
Minimum wage jobs were the only thing I could personally think of looking for because before this particular job, I'd only ever worked one other which was also minimum wage.

People like Alec would complain a lot less about "minimum wage" if they realize they are worth more than that, and would apply for jobs that pay more than minimum wage.

These jobs are not designed for 20+ year olds trying to live independently.  Minimum wage jobs are really for about three groups of people;

1) teenagers, to train them and get them used to a work environment.  Teenagers usually don't need to support themselves and therefore the real "reward" of their job is the training and exposure and getting used to all the bs that comes with working a job.

2) immigrants.  They are far better off living in "poverty" in Canada or USA than they are living in Syria or Somalia.  That's just factual.  Sure, they can strive for greater, but they're often better off on the whole working these jobs here than they are being a doctor in Nigeria or whatever.  There is also a discussion to be had on how much immigration countries should have, which isn't entirely unrelated to minimum wage, but it's a long discussion and for another day.

3) mentally handicapped people.  Again, these people are usually heavily subsidized by the government and don't need to fully support themselves.  In their case "at least it's a job" actually applies.  Their maximum potential often isn't much above working a minimum wage job, so for their own pride and happiness, it's good of them to "at least be doing something."

For "normal" people of around average intelligence and capability who want to support themselves independently, working minimum wage jobs just shows a lack of respect for yourself.  You are worth more than that.  Go show the world.  If you are a competent person in your 20s or 30s and were "born into privilege," you should actually be ashamed for taking a minimum wage job.  It's a waste of your time, and you're taking away a valuable lesson or role for a teenager, immigrant or mentally handicapped person.

"At least I'm cleaning the bathroom of this public park" is delusional.  You should be striving for more than that.  And, at the very least, doing "nothing" as society puts it - in other words, doing "what you want" for those 10 hours a day instead, is far more fruitful in the long run.  That will at least get you on track or help you discover what you actually want to be doing with your life.
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