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Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« on: February 27, 2017, 12:42:31 pm »
PROOF POLICY CHANGELOG:
Feb 07, 2017 - Removed minimum punishments for cheating. All cheaters are now permanently banned from The-Elite rankings on first offense. (Submitted by Ryan Gibbs)
Feb 27, 2017 - Videos with any cropping or with low framerate are no longer valid proof. Untied records and times that tie untied records must have valid proof before they are official. (Submitted by Kyle Wiebenga)
Mar 07, 2017 - Special circumstance proof clause added for clarity. All times are subject to additional proof inquiries at the discretion of the proof mods and council. (Submitted by Ryan Gibbs)
Aug 01, 2017 - Proof Policy 2.0 released.
Aug 01, 2017 - Videos must be in full color, 360p+, 25 FPS+, have no low bitrate artifacting, no cropping, and no frame blending
Aug 01, 2017 - "Significant times" eliminated. ALL 60+ point times require videos under all circumstances
Aug 01, 2017 - The first person to prove a time now gets credit for being first, regardless of who posts the time on the rankings first
Aug 01, 2017 - All hoarded videos must prove their date with a youtube upload/etc to count for the claimed date
Aug 01, 2017 - Proof Policy document cleaned up from 230 lines of text down to 92 lines of text

COUNCIL DECISION LOG:
Mar 06, 2017 - Rayan Isran removed from the council
Mar 06, 2017 - Bryan Bosshardt added to the council
May 08, 2017 - Backrolled Ace's Train LTK to 2:48 and Archives DLTK to 1:11 due to missing videos
July 08, 2017 - Approved Proof Policy 2.0
Aug 31, 2017 - Approved stripping "The Duel" of points on all difficulties
Nov 26, 2017 - Replaced Jim Barrett with Ryan White as council member
Mar 13, 2018 - Andrew Kent's times removed from the rankings
Mar 17, 2018 - Twitch.tv links banned from use in rankings submission video URL
Apr 12, 2018 - Approved a concrete rule for freezing a player's timespage after repeated proof policy violations
Apr 29, 2018 - Approved mw as new PD proof mod
Apr 29, 2018 - Approved removing the "game time speedruns" section from RTA rankings
May 02, 2018 - Approved requiring videos for 60+ point times at the time of submission
Aug 20, 2018 - Approved removal of Steven Zwartjes' times from the rankings

DISCORD/FORUM MODERATION DECISION LOG:
Feb 24, 2018 - Karl banned indefinitely from the forums and discord by his request.
Feb 25, 2018 - Ace banned for two weeks from the forums and discord.
Apr 27, 2018 - Ace banned indefinitely from discord.



Info:
The council decision log will not reflect proof policy changes to avoid redundancy in this post. All proof policy changes made were confirmed with a majority council vote.

All proof policy changes are official the moment they are both live on the proof policy page and posted in this thread to notify the community. All non proof policy revision council decisions are effective immediately, regardless of whether or not they are posted here. Formatting and stylistic changes to the policy that do not affect the rankings or change core information will not be posted here.

If you want to propose a proof policy change, submit a request to Scott on https://gitlab.com/the-elite-net/rankings. He may have to add you to the gitlab first, so be sure to ask him to do that if necessary. Use this thread to discuss new or existing policy changes as well. Any proposed changes will be voted on by the council once they are made aware of the request. If a forum mod doesn't do it already, post your proof policy change in this thread once it has been confirmed to officially enact it across the community.


« Last Edit: August 22, 2018, 06:57:03 pm by Grav »

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Re: Proof Policy Changelog & Discussion
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2017, 12:58:19 pm »

Red = Removed
Green = New

Summary:
-Added line in first paragraph for the date of the most recent policy update
-Added mentions of cropping and framerate issues, included link with picture guideline
-No more 48 hour rule for Untieds and Untied Slayers but a rule in place to protect rankings integrity

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Re: Proof Policy Changelog & Discussion
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2017, 01:23:16 pm »
Changes can be made by submitting a request to Scott on https://gitlab.com/the-elite-net/rankings.

So far I am just asking each submitter who changes the proof policy to verify that they are acting on behalf of the elite council. If you need more structure in place for this particular file, I can do whatever you need. For example, linking to a council vote on a particular diff before accepting the change to the live site.

I have defaulted to just trusting submitters because their own reputation is on the line if they are submitting poor changes, and there would be quick outrage if something bad was put up.  A bad change can be reversed very quickly, whereas a submitted change "waiting for review" has a tendency to just sit around for months with nothing happening.

Or maybe someone else wants to be in charge of all that stuff ;)

and then posted in this thread to notify the community

Is it live when it is *posted* to the thread, or when it is modified by a moderator(/councilmember) to be listed in the OP? Should be a clarification here.

And some perspective from "Eliza":

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[12:26 PM] Eliza: so, outside opinion on structuring something like this to enable "healthy" discussion....
[12:27 PM] Eliza: if some random fellow comes along with a wonderful idea for improving the proof policy, a great way to get his change through would be to:
[12:27 PM] Eliza: 1. make a diff on gitlab
[12:27 PM] Eliza: 2. post the diff in the public thread asking for comment and council vote
[12:27 PM] Eliza: 3. council votes and approves it
[12:27 PM] Eliza: 4. change pushed to site
[12:28 PM] Eliza: the key difference is the suggestion needs to be presented as an actual diff that can be applied, rather than nebulous "lets update it to penalize cheaters more!!" phrasing
[12:29 PM] Eliza: also, if you have a change (to the proof policy or otherwise) that needs discussion or approval or polish before going to the live site, mark the merge request as WIP
« Last Edit: February 27, 2017, 01:29:59 pm by TheFlash »

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Re: Proof Policy Changelog & Discussion
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2017, 01:42:47 pm »
posted. otherwise it would have to wait for me or another mod to show up to put it in the OP which could take a while

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Re: Proof Policy Changelog & Discussion
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2017, 02:51:11 pm »
I enjoy this 1 hour rule. Awesome job!
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Re: Proof Policy Changelog & Discussion
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2017, 11:46:45 pm »
to do list:

establish a bitrate policy and enact into policy ASAP

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Re: Proof Policy Changelog & Discussion
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2017, 03:22:45 pm »


Mar 05, 2017 - Special circumstance proof clause added for clarity. All times are subject to additional proof inquiries at the discretion of the proof mods and council. (Submitted by Ryan Gibbs)
« Last Edit: March 05, 2017, 03:43:29 pm by Grav »

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Re: Proof Policy & Council Decision Log
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2017, 06:54:34 pm »
updated this thread to reflect future council decisions of all kinds for transparency and public historical recording

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Re: Proof Policy & Council Decision Log
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2017, 10:10:01 pm »
Rayan Isran removed from the council (8-0 unanimous decision)
« Last Edit: March 06, 2017, 11:11:56 pm by Grav »

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Re: Proof Policy & Council Decision Log
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2017, 11:11:16 pm »
Bryan Bosshardt added to the council (8-0 unanimous decision)

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Re: Proof Policy & Council Decision Log
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2017, 12:37:14 am »
:nesquik:

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Re: Proof Policy & Council Decision Log
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2017, 01:55:47 am »
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Re: Proof Policy & Council Decision Log
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2017, 07:37:35 am »
for transparency and public historical recording

Listing the council members in some central place would be a good move as well, because I have no idea about half the people on there. Jim, dsx, Grav, now Boss, ... ? :kappa:

Edit: Thanks Jon. Really good roster compared to the selection of forgotten dinosaurs we had not so long ago.

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Re: Proof Policy & Council Decision Log
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2017, 07:59:36 am »
It was actually a 9-0 decision. :nesquik: Look at the date.

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Re: Proof Policy & Council Decision Log
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2017, 08:25:22 pm »
Backrolled Ace's Train LTK to 2:48 and Archives DLTK to 1:11 due to missing videos

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Re: Proof Policy & Council Decision Log
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2017, 11:57:55 am »
New proof policy approved, enactment pending

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Re: Proof Policy & Council Decision Log
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2017, 11:53:22 am »
NEW PROOF POLICY EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY:
https://rankings.the-elite.net/proof

Aug 01, 2017 - Proof Policy 2.0 released.
Aug 01, 2017 - Videos must be in full color, 360p+, 25 FPS+, have no low bitrate artifacting, no cropping, and no frame blending
Aug 01, 2017 - "Significant times" eliminated. ALL 60+ point times require videos under all circumstances
Aug 01, 2017 - The first person to prove a time now gets credit for being first, regardless of who posts the time on the rankings first
Aug 01, 2017 - All hoarded videos must prove their date with a youtube upload/etc to count for the claimed date
Aug 01, 2017 - Proof Policy document cleaned up from 230 lines of text down to 92 lines of text

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Re: Proof Policy & Council Decision Log
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2017, 08:04:19 pm »
Aug 31, 2017 - Approved stripping "The Duel" of points on all difficulties, enactment pending

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Re: Proof Policy & Council Decision Log
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2017, 08:45:20 pm »
An LS Original -

Improved Perfect Dark Rankings:



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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2017, 07:31:13 pm »
Suggestion for the "modified console" thing:


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« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2017, 07:34:27 pm »
my console has a cable that takes the pure raw video output from the n64's ppu and outputs it to a board which gives me hdmi output which doesnt affect how the console runs in any way shape or form, i believe this is fine just like the rgb mod is

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Re: Proof Policy & Council Decision Log
« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2017, 07:35:33 pm »
SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU'RE BANNED FROM THE RANKINGS AND EVERY TIME YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN OBTAINS GET THROWN RIIIIIIIIIOGHT INTO THE GARBAGE!
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Re: Proof Policy & Council Decision Log
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2017, 10:46:20 pm »
Nov 26, 2017 - Replaced Jim Barrett with Ryan White as council member

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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2018, 12:43:44 pm »
community moderation decisions will now be posted here as well

ace has been banned for taking the rankings hostage (forcing others to clean up his mess and post his lost videos). 2 weeks will be the standard first offense punishment for this that will be included in a soon to come update to community code of conduct

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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2018, 12:52:56 pm »
Congrats on becoming GE Champion Luke lmao

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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2018, 12:58:02 pm »
ill write the conduct post when i get back from family shit but in case ace does it before i get to it, a 2nd offense will extend the ban to 2 months. a third offense is permanent ban until deemed fit by the mods to unban. ban evasion automatically counts as an offense also

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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2018, 04:28:54 pm »
Incredibly disappointed in you, Ace.

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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2018, 02:54:27 pm »
ace has been banned for taking the rankings hostage (forcing others to clean up his mess and post his lost videos).

As much of a pain in the ass as this is, do you mean that his account is now FROZEN? That would be a decision that makes more sense. Since all his times are proven true, etc, I'd think a BAN is a steep punishment, both for Ace and for the rankings themselves.

I mean look what happened with Marc (unfortunately before video backlogs were here; RIP frig 23 and cavs 101); his account was frozen until deemed fit for self-updating his account/pages again. That happened BEFORE we had the necessary tools to keep his videos up. Now we do.

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Or do you mean banned from the forums for the outlined times? 'Cause lol okay perfect  :nesquik:
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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2018, 06:30:06 pm »
by ban i meant only forum posting and discord (for 2 weeks). nothing about his rankings page. freezing the rankings page is not treating the cause of ace's (or almost anyone who deletes videos) frustration, which is interacting with others.                               

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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2018, 11:52:36 pm »
Okie doke.

On a side note: It saddens me that Ace fails to understand that he holds (like all of us do) his own brand & reputation. Yet he continues to act this way. People judge you based on your actions, Rayan. This isn't a good look for you.
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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2018, 04:05:17 am »
Are we able to have the backed up videos linked to the rankings temporarily ???

I've already had a PM on facebook from a friend outside the community trying to watch ace's Dam 155 ask why the vid is down

This is very annoying as well as makes the Elite look bad,
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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #32 on: March 03, 2018, 06:28:31 am »
How does it make the elite look bad? Why would someone place the blame on the elite if a person makes their video private or deletes them?

It makes Ace look bad, not anyone else.
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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2018, 06:37:25 am »
they go hand in hand. if it's fixed quickly then no big deal, if it lingers on for months it's bad.

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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2018, 08:01:47 am »
My signature message fits well in this moment (sorry if I shouldn't post in this topic)
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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2018, 05:01:56 pm »
updated with andrew kent decision

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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2018, 05:18:18 pm »
shouldn't his PD times be removed too?
Why you reading this?

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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2018, 05:50:01 pm »
^
It's incredibly silly to leave his PD times on the ranks and just remove his GE times. He hasn't proven a single one of those either.
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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2018, 07:00:24 pm »
This action appears very inconsistent at first glance but perhaps the council decided to keep Vulpex ranked in PD because another player - Keefer - is ranked even higher but also with 0/63 proof.

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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2018, 07:49:58 pm »
shouldn't his PD times be removed too?
^
It's incredibly silly to leave his PD times on the ranks and just remove his GE times. He hasn't proven a single one of those either.
This action appears very inconsistent at first glance but perhaps the council decided to keep Vulpex ranked in PD because another player - Keefer - is ranked even higher but also with 0/63 proof.

Boys I'm in the process. Did one at a time since there's no gigantic "CLEAR ALL TIMES" button. I'm doing his PD times tonight. Wasn't aware this would be posted here yet. FEAR NOT ya dorks.
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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2018, 07:53:12 pm »
This action appears very inconsistent at first glance but perhaps the council decided to keep Vulpex ranked in PD because another player - Keefer - is ranked even higher but also with 0/63 proof.
I don't think he should be removed, apparently he did have tape proof in the past according to this post: https://forums.the-elite.net/index.php?topic=6232.msg147034#msg147034

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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2018, 08:01:52 pm »
Feb 24, 2018 - Karl banned indefinitely from the forums and discord by his request.

Um...kay?

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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2018, 09:11:39 pm »
This action appears very inconsistent at first glance but perhaps the council decided to keep Vulpex ranked in PD because another player - Keefer - is ranked even higher but also with 0/63 proof.
I don't think he should be removed, apparently he did have tape proof in the past according to this post: https://forums.the-elite.net/index.php?topic=6232.msg147034#msg147034



Old news now. If the tape isn't in mine or Jonathan's hands it's gg tbh.
That topic you linked is from 2002....he's had 16 years to get his proof issues sorted.  :nesquik:
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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2018, 09:13:13 pm »
This action appears very inconsistent at first glance but perhaps the council decided to keep Vulpex ranked in PD because another player - Keefer - is ranked even higher but also with 0/63 proof.

We shall check this out. Thanks for posting this!
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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2018, 09:17:45 pm »
This action appears very inconsistent at first glance but perhaps the council decided to keep Vulpex ranked in PD because another player - Keefer - is ranked even higher but also with 0/63 proof.
I don't think he should be removed, apparently he did have tape proof in the past according to this post: https://forums.the-elite.net/index.php?topic=6232.msg147034#msg147034



Old news now. If the tape isn't in mine or Jonathan's hands it's gg tbh.
That topic you linked is from 2002....he's had 16 years to get his proof issues sorted.  :nesquik:

Pretty sure he was referring to Keefer.
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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2018, 09:24:12 pm »
Yeah I was referring to keefer lolalec

I voted on goose's thread poll for Vuplex being removed mate


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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2018, 09:31:25 pm »
Yeah I was referring to keefer lolalec

I voted on goose's thread poll for Vuplex being removed mate

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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2018, 09:35:06 pm »
Old news now. If the tape isn't in mine or Jonathan's hands it's gg tbh.
That topic you linked is from 2002....he's had 16 years to get his proof issues sorted.  :nesquik:

This seems very wrong.

He passed the proof call according to the standards of the day, it's not his responsibility to keep the videos forever, it's the site's responsibility.

Proof called December 2001 - https://forums.the-elite.net/index.php?topic=6370.msg102457
Confirmation by the proof mod and site updater - https://forums.the-elite.net/index.php?topic=6735.msg115505

If you're going to remove any of the times requested in the proof call that were proven to the day's standards, you'll also have to remove every time from players such as SnapDragon that don't have a currently available video as well.

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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #48 on: March 13, 2018, 09:37:47 pm »
Don't nuke the ranks, etc.

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Re: Proof Policy, Moderation & Council Decision Log
« Reply #49 on: March 13, 2018, 09:41:08 pm »
Old news now. If the tape isn't in mine or Jonathan's hands it's gg tbh.
That topic you linked is from 2002....he's had 16 years to get his proof issues sorted.  :nesquik:

This seems very wrong.

He passed the proof call according to the standards of the day, it's not his responsibility to keep the videos forever, it's the site's responsibility.

Proof called December 2001 - https://forums.the-elite.net/index.php?topic=6370.msg102457
Confirmation by the proof mod and site updater - https://forums.the-elite.net/index.php?topic=6735.msg115505

If you're going to remove any of the times requested in the proof call that were proven to the day's standards, you'll also have to remove every time from players such as SnapDragon that don't have a currently available video as well.

Pretty sure he was talking about Kent.

Come on people!
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