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Flukes and Struggles
« on: July 04, 2017, 07:55:19 pm »
Because Goldeneye has a fair amount of luck in the majority of levels and there's so much to play, players are bound to have moments where they get a huge skip or achieve a great time very quickly. In other cases, players struggle forever to get something well within their reach, or have to grind through extremely bad luck. People often complain about the bad moreso than praise their good, but let's discuss both cases! We'll keep this limited to just Goldeneye normal mode.

The Good
-Skipped Streets Agent 1:13 in about 2 hours
-Skipped Depot SA 0:42
-Took an hour to get Dam 0:53
-Skipped to Frigate SA 1:02 from 1:11 without a single 1:02 fail prior
-Skipped Jungle Agent 0:54 with only 1x 0:53 fail and 0x 0:54 fails
-Skipped to Bunker 2 SA 0:51 from 0:56
-Matched my Jungle SA PR on 00A with a lucky run
-Got the ugliest Frigate Agent 0:24
-Caverns Agent 1:03 took less than 10 minutes
-Skipped Archives SA 0:56

The Bad
-8x A completions to get Surface 2 Agent 0:47
-Over a dozen nades to get Surface 2 SA 0:56, which was also just barely off 0:55
-About 17 hours so far for Depot Agent with 0 warps
-Surface 1 Agent 1:03 took forever
-32x 2:21 fails on Statue 00A, with a 2:22 dupe as well
-Cradle 00A 0:35 took like 10 hours due to lots of trolling
-Lost around 3s on my Depot 00A 0:53 from a stupid guard stuck

Share yours! :v

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Re: Flukes and Struggles
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2017, 08:01:54 pm »
The Good
-nothing took me 5 times longer than it should have to get

The Bad
-nothing took me 5 times less than it should have to get

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Re: Flukes and Struggles
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2017, 08:47:48 pm »
The Good

- Caverns Agent 103 in 2006 with 1.1 and skipped 104 < 10 hours
- Surface 2 A 49 in 2015 when it was actually still a good time < 5 hours
- Control 00A 4:22 (69 points when achieved) 5-6 hours
- Egypt A 47 fluke (first session, got lucky with death animations < 3 hours
- 2 boosts after Trev meeting on Statue Agent 2:21

The Bad
- Investing more than 50 hours on Dam 53 because of a knowledge fail  :kappa: (JustinDT watch the stream one night and realized I wasn't watching cinema)
- Train A 110 taking way too long
- Bunker 2 SA 54 taking way too long
- Many, many missed door warps before Surface 2 SA 56

« Last Edit: July 04, 2017, 08:57:31 pm by Lark »
Embrace the grind.

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Re: Flukes and Struggles
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2017, 09:25:53 pm »
- Investing more than 50 hours on Dam 53 because of a knowledge fail  :kappa: (JustinDT watch the stream one night and realized I wasn't watching cinema)

hey you could have still got it though 1.2 style  ;)

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Re: Flukes and Struggles
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2017, 10:03:52 pm »
havent played much GE this year yet, but:

The Good

- Dam 53 1.2 1:0 as my GE WR comeback (last WR was in 2002), didn't take THAT long (around 6-7h I believe)
- Not taking long to learn 2.x for runway A (that was pretty scary at first for an old inactive player like me)
- Getting some 60-70ish points fairly fast (like runway 39 that took me < 2h total, fac 00 56 took < 1h), kept me motivated
- Surface 102 in a random short session right as I was thinking about giving up on it

The Bad

- Pretty bad clutchness on Surface 102 as it took me 10+ hours (after initial 10h I was more solid on strafing) to get a god damn 18 bullet ending on a decent pace
- 3 to 4 hours to complete a Cradle 00 run (36) and threw away a possible 34 (choked obv)
- Blew up THREE good doaks out of 4 runs in a row on Fac SA, two were 54 early quitouts (one was 54 for sure), when I still had 56
- Choked a few 200/159 pace runs on Dam 00, gave up on playing after a 202 completion
- 7 hours on archives now and still no 16 fail, first 2 hours were basically me missing B press on first room 9 out of 10 runs  :kappa:

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Re: Flukes and Struggles
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2017, 10:30:31 pm »
The Good:
- fluked cradle 00A 0:34 for the untied in 5 mins after not playing much ge at all due to a nasty hand cut
- skipped from 1:04 to 1:01 train A
- skipped train SA 1:27 (although this took an arduous grind)
- skipped from 1:57 to 1:54 train 00A (minimum goal at the time)
- aztec SA 1:37, although one of the gayest runs of my career, took only an hour or so (also minimum goal at the time)
- decent baron luck when going for egypt SA/00A 0:45
- frig SA 1:04, perhaps the all-time gayest run of my career, also happened quickly. i probably blew 1:02 though.
- statue A 2:21 and 2:20 came quick with very few fails, if any
- caked s1 1:02 (hate this level with a passion)
- got b1 SA 0:23 as a PR from 0:25 in literally 2 or 3 tries after not touching the level for months (bad time but still)

The Bad:
- awful trev luck on facility made 43 take way longer than it should have
- cavs SA throw doesn't actually work
- frig
- terrible baron luck when going for egypt A 0:45
- aztec 00A (probably close to a dozen good runs with henrik lure but died every time)
- not skipping any of 1:36, 1:35, 1:34, or 1:33 on s2 00A (1st cam is actually a joke) and i badly blew a good start with that 1:33
- awful FR luck on statue SA/00A made 2:19s take way longer than they should have
- over 20 hours for a depot warp

good thread :nesquik:

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Re: Flukes and Struggles
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2017, 12:06:20 am »
Great thread idea!

The Good
- Played only an hour or so for Frigate 0:24 to complete
- Got the FR in the right spot for Statue Agent 2:20 pretty much straight away
- Control 3:57 came quick, missed starting the timer and fluked the exit
- Skipped all the way from 57 to 54 on Facility SA
- "fluked" Silo SA 1:10 the next day after 1:12
- Skipped from 0:59 to 0:56 on Jungle SA LIVE on stream
- Caked S1 00A 1:49
- Silo 1:27 came very quickly after 1:30, exactly the time I wanted to land on
- Fluked Frig 00A 1:11 from 1:20, played about 20 minutes total
- Fluked a 4:0 Statue run to get 2:19 on 00A lol
- Fluked a 7:0 on Streets 00A 1:55, wish it was 1:54
- Jungle 00A 0:56 didn't take long at all, one of my favourite times
- All Egypt 0:46s were decently easy

The Bad
- Over 40 1:13s on Streets Agent for some reason before getting 1:12
- Aztec agent really destroyed my sense of what is good and right in the world
- Going for 1:49 on Surface 1 SA made me quit GE for months, the backboosts after the first hut are really something
- Hostages never complete on Frig SA and I still have a shitty PR there
- Didn't take me long to get Archives 55s but I distinctly remember throwing stuff around the room
- 14 hour Train SA session resulted in nothing but caked 1:31 the next day
- Cradle SA and 00A 0:34 took FOREVER with 00A being especially punishing
- Dam 00A
- Fac 00A 0:54 gave me hell, sunk many hours into this
- Caverns 00A 1:34 gave me hell too but this is a really great time for me
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Re: Flukes and Struggles
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2017, 11:23:09 am »
The Good
- S2 47 in an hour and a half
- S1 102 only took about 10 hours, expected it to be way more because I hate the level
- Got Arch 54s back to back (never even had a 00A 55 dupe)
- Cradle 34s were cake, my 00A 34 rounded down from like 36  :nesquik:
- got Streets SA 155 in 20 min in front of everybody at AGDQ2017

The Bad
- struggled for Dam SA 119 when most people caked it
- completing Aztec 00A once took 20 hours, and of course the shittiest run completes
- put probably 30 hours in to get frig 24
- Streets 00A 155 took me probably 30 hours
- Duped Arch SA 55 ~70 times before getting 54
- this:
« Last Edit: July 05, 2017, 03:06:14 pm by SGT RAGEQUIT »

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Re: Flukes and Struggles
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2017, 06:54:25 pm »
good:

- getting caverns agent 1:01 at the end of the first session going for it. my first proper 1:01 pace to the drone tunnel.. the odds are pretty remarkable. and my friend and roommate Sealock was there to witness the last 10 seconds of the run. I was actually in conversation during the spiral but once I got that rare boost on the catwalk I shut the hell up and didn't say a word until hitting the warp and yelling "omg this is 101 I think I just got 101!!!" I had fun telling the mumble crew to check the feed for a new PR I got - Bez was like "that's not a PR man" lol.

- getting bunker 1 sa 21 the first session going for it. I've told the story many times before but partik and Karl had visited Melbourne for a few days (Patriks' coffee tasting championship). we had hung out and also played a bit of GE, where Karl and patrik were both like "you should get 21 and tilt Jimbo" and Karl noticed my first cam was slightly slow due to firing 2 bullets for safety. So I started shooting 1 bullet and 21 pace seemed pretty free. I'd just seen Patrik off on the tram and sat down and smashed 21 out in 2 hours. The PokerTH crew were like nooooooo whaaaat"

gtg (to be continued)
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Re: Flukes and Struggles
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2017, 03:53:06 pm »
The Good
- Archives A 16 without any fail before
- Runway SA 23 without any fail before

The Not Good
- Lots of Statue 00A 2:20 fails before getting it
- Obviously those tons of Dam A 54s
« Last Edit: July 06, 2017, 04:07:23 pm by Simon-Sternis »

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Re: Flukes and Struggles
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2017, 11:19:26 pm »
Flukes:
- Cradle 00A 0:37 untied January 2004 from 0:44
- Dam 00A 1:57 from 1:59
- Depot 00A 0:49 from 0:53 as a 95 pointer to get into top 10
- Train Agent 1:03 from 1:05 in an effort to tie Fanny's 1:04. Hit 90 points back then somehow.
- All 3 of my Aztec times were big skips, but none have really held up which leads to...

Struggles:
- Aztec Agent and 00 Agent have destroyed my morale to keep speedrunning GE, so much luck involved! 1:29 was great when I got it (93 pointer), but now I need 1:26 or lower and that strat is just pure garbage. 00A is this on steroids. Can't imagine a 1:39 pace run to the countdown with those nerves anymore.
- Caverns SA and the 415 backboosts I've gotten on my combined PR runs. I feel I should have 1:16ish here.
- Surface 2 SA is choke city with the 2 0:50 fails (mine)

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Re: Flukes and Struggles
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2017, 04:21:00 am »
The Good:
- Getting Streets A 1:13 as a WR in less than 90 minutes; only had two or three 1:14 dupes.
- Jungle 00A 0:57 in 20 minutes.
- Archives A 0:16, only had one 16 fail.
- Archives 0:55s, even easier than 16 for me.
- Streets 00A 1:56, about 15 minutes after getting SA 1:56.
- Runway SA 0:23 came very fast once I switched to 1.2.

The Bad:
- Dam A 0:53 took quite a while to get back in 2008, had nearly 200 54s.
- Dam SA 1:18. Had 34 1:19s iirc.
- Played for Bunker 1 0:17 on and off for several years on multiple occasions before finally getting it.
- Had a hard time getting Runway 0:23 in 2006
- Didn't get Depot SA 0:44 with 1.2, had many 0:45s and a few 0:44 fails.
- Train SA 1:31 took longer than my A and 00A PRs combined.
- Surface 2 A 0:49 with Cliff Hampton-strat 1.2. Duped 0:50 6 times. Overall it didn't take that long though but several players got it before me.
- Had an amazing 35 Jungle SA 1:00 dupes before getting 0:59.
- Still haven't nailed a good run yet on Caverns 00A using JAP.
- Streets SA 1:56 when it was a 97-pointer. Had 75 1:57s :-X
- Bunker 1 00A 1:08 took forever to execute the Boris running-strat somewhat successfully.

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Re: Flukes and Struggles
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2017, 05:48:26 am »
The Good:
-  I struggled a lot with Dam 1:59 (roughly 11 years ago - 15ish 2:00s) but randomly decided to play a bit after I got it as the WR. Only 15 minutes into a session I choked the last alarm badly on this insane run. I knew it was going to be 1:58 when I hit the bungee jump and became heartbroken thinking it'd take dozens of hours to replicate a similar run. I kept going and 5 more minutes later I got my actual 1:58, on an unexpected mediocre run. The run seemed so subpar and coupled with my minimal activity at the time (despite explaining why) it ignited some controversy.

- Getting lucky with Dam SA 1:16 and other cropped times / bad quality videos. :nesquik:

- Healthy luck on a number of records. B2 00A 0:58 (ridiculous 3s skip at the time), Train 1:01, Jungle SA 0:53, B2 00A 0:54 (this one was super lucky because the night before it I got a 0:56 missed warp) are my most prominent skips.

- Clutched a really 21:51 for any% WR from 22:13. I honestly wasn't expecting to do better than like 22:05 and imagined sub 22 would be a tedious grind. Despite having no commentary it has around 75k views on YouTube, so that's nice as well.

- Intense rivalry with Clemens in 2008 and 2010 fueled so much desire to keep playing the game and grinding for records. Just imagine one of us never played and how dull it'd have been having little competition.

The Bad:
- I spent a good 10 hours going for Runway SA 0:22 back in early 2013 when the record was still untied. I had roughly 10 22 fails and a handful of flat 23s. I wasn't really playing smart with the battery which explains the unusual number of fails, but regardless it sucks I never got the time. It just seems like a record I should have gotten ages ago alongside Depot 0:40/0:47.

- Well over a hundred hours on Bunker 1 SA since 0:21 yet no untied. :( This one hurts. I'm aware I never spent much time with riskier strats (trainshot 3rd cam for example) but I was failing 20s quite often and just never completed an ideal run despite having really good consistency.

- Ditto for Facility SA 0:51. Heartbreaker fail in January 2014. Never thought I would pile up ~15 more 52s after that.

- Frigate SA speed-bully. I mean, come on. Villa PA pales in comparison.

- AceLuck on roughly the same number of ClemLuck affected levels. Clemens' law of balances holds true that you get unlucky as much as you get lucky (or vice versa). Some of the absurd dupes I've had include 21 Fac 00A 53s, 17 Dam 156s, 13 B1 103s, ~11 Silo 109s, ~10 Train 150s. Control 359 took forever when it was a WR. Honestly speaking though this shouldn't be *too* unexpected at a top level.

- Power going off RIGHT after I achieved Egypt SA 0:46 in 2008 as a WR and hit the endscreen to show the time. I was using direct capture so the video got corrupted. Skedar SA 1:24 was another untied WR affected by technical issues in 2007. Ironically Taka achieved 1:24 before me and also had his video screwed up. :kappa:

- Shitty luck when going for Caverns A 1:01. In one session I had 2 101 paces in a row to the lift.

- Having never achieved the Runway 00A, Statue 00A or Surface 2 00A WRs. The last one hits hard because I had both 1:31 and 1:32 fails missing the mine throw only, back when 1:32 was an untied WR by Boss in 2006.

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Re: Flukes and Struggles
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2018, 11:20:23 pm »
Bringing this bad boy back  :grinning:

The Good
- Decent Aztec times with MF strat with relative ease
- Got Frig SA 104 day after 109 as well as being the first time time seeing a 104 complete or fail
- Bunker 2 00A 103 very first attempt in a session and playing wide for the first time
- Nearly every LTK level getting 90 points or more with little to no grind
- S2 LTK 130 first nade ever 5 minutes in
- Dam 00A being very nice to me as a new player and getting 202 very fast, then improving it with not much grind
- Cavs Agent 102 in 3 hours in very first session
- S2 SA 56 on first nade in 5-10 minutes

The Bad
- 10 fails on Archives Agent with open nat door before it finally completed and got 16
- Threw away a Depot Agent 24 after getting first warp in 2.5 hours by pausing out  :sad:
- Begged to get Dam SA 119 when I couldn't even get 120, eventually getting 120 then finally realizing what I did wrong and got 119 fast
- Streets 00A 156 was absurdly hard and full of bad luck the whole session, constantly missing pace entirely
- Choking countless untieds on Surface 2 LTK and DLTK
- Bunker 1 A 17
- Caked Archives SA 55 really fast then was dumbfounded with 00A for hours

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Re: Flukes and Struggles
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2018, 04:20:05 am »
(JustinDT watch the stream one night and realized I wasn't watching cinema)
What is cinema?? :/

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Re: Flukes and Struggles
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2018, 08:32:10 am »
(JustinDT watch the stream one night and realized I wasn't watching cinema)
What is cinema?? :/

The short animation before you control Bond.. Press any button to skip
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Re: Flukes and Struggles
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2018, 07:44:15 pm »
(JustinDT watch the stream one night and realized I wasn't watching cinema)
What is cinema?? :/

The short animation before you control Bond.. Press any button to skip
...shit, so to get dam 53 you need to watch it? (on 1.2?)

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Re: Flukes and Struggles
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2018, 10:18:45 pm »
Not for 1.2, you can skip cinema. However I wouldn't recommend going for 53 with 1.2, you're gimping yourself for no reason.

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Re: Flukes and Struggles
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2018, 06:51:56 pm »
Not for 1.2, you can skip cinema. However I wouldn't recommend going for 53 with 1.2, you're gimping yourself for no reason.
Ok. Should I should use a 2.x or can I use a 1.x?

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Re: Flukes and Struggles
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2018, 07:36:53 pm »
Ok. Should I should use a 2.x or can I use a 1.x?

2.x

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Re: Flukes and Struggles
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2018, 07:38:29 pm »
You can use any controller style you want. But if you use 1.2 you will lose the .3 time save that 2.2 gives you at the start, greatly reducing the chance of ever getting a 53 yourself. It's a good way to learn 2.x and all you have to do is work out how to hold two controllers and watch a bit of the first cutscene to build speed. Here is my 2.x tutorial if you want to learn how to use it easily. https://youtu.be/0_Dea3lir7k
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Re: Flukes and Struggles
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2018, 02:18:45 am »
2.x
Alright thanks.

You can use any controller style you want. But if you use 1.2 you will lose the .3 time save that 2.2 gives you at the start, greatly reducing the chance of ever getting a 53 yourself. It's a good way to learn 2.x and all you have to do is work out how to hold two controllers and watch a bit of the first cutscene to build speed. Here is my 2.x tutorial if you want to learn how to use it easily. https://youtu.be/0_Dea3lir7k
Ah thanks for the tutorial.
I wasn't sure if my gamecube style second controller thumbstick would work ok but I'm glad thats what i'm supposed to have. :)

I'm going to try for 53 again now.

Edit:
I managed to do it... :D

https://youtu.be/R9_fJqt4leM
« Last Edit: July 08, 2018, 07:19:41 pm by e1ght »

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Re: Flukes and Struggles
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2018, 04:37:44 am »
Very welcome. Good luck
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