Author Topic: Wikipedia page (Read 3564 times)

.. · « **Reply #50 on:** May 07, 2006, 05:44:00 am »

I guess I've taken on the job of going through articles (mostly using the Random Article feature) and making sure spelling/format is correct, and adding link marks to anything that needs to be linked to an already created article, or an article that should be made.

Make me an admin.

matt8k · « **Reply #51 on:** May 07, 2006, 10:04:00 pm »

As far as speed strats go, I notice that each difficulty seems to have only one strat.
( eg. speedrun.elwiki.com/index.php/Dam )
Will there be only one strat for each difficulty on every level, or will multiple strats be published?

RWG · « **Reply #52 on:** May 07, 2006, 10:33:00 pm »

Right now, I'm mainly in charge of the GE strats. Basically it seems like for this, we only want the BEST and FASTEST stuff. I'm basically choosing the best strat per difficulty which will get the WR and using it.

For slower strats and all, just look here or in the old strats page for those. Not necessary to put them there imo.

Ngamer · « **Reply #53 on:** May 07, 2006, 10:52:00 pm »

We're only looking for one strat, the WR strat, for each difficulty on each level, for solo play.

Now, if someone would like to get us into LTK strats, DLTK strats and the like, they're certainly welcome to.

deletedprofile.u · « **Reply #54 on:** May 07, 2006, 11:19:00 pm »

I can do some of the PD LTK strats, so I'll get on that soon.

Mitrhil · « **Reply #55 on:** May 07, 2006, 11:34:00 pm »

would be nice to have alternative strats (some levels are hard to the beginners, like investigation PA) and those would contain the date (to later we compare our evolution)

it's a nice initiative dudes

(if would be allowed to write alternative strats you can count with me)

mrsooreams · « **Reply #56 on:** May 08, 2006, 08:48:00 am »

Revealing that no one takes any interest in the success of the Wikipedia page for this game you all know and love, while everyone falls over themselves getting excited about a wiki that will probably not be read by many people beyond the Elite. The self-obsession of this community reaches a new high!

.. · « **Reply #57 on:** May 08, 2006, 12:04:00 pm »

Ngamer is no one now? :P I thought he spoke for the whole community!

Besides, this topic and your work on the PD wiki spurred on the creation of the new site, which yes, gets more attention because:

A) Everyone can contribute to it, without having to care about the strictness and/or sillyness of Wikipedia.

B) It's a fun new project that helps bring the community together more (hop in the chatroom when people are actively writing things and you'll see that)

C) We're referencing years of personal history, whether it be strategies or the eventual community related pages, it's something we can all relate to periods of our life. A lot more than sales figures, magazine reviews, and plots that we all already know.

And no, this won't be read by many outside t-e.n or the MK community, at the moment. It's currently in the developmental stage. We're setting it up and getting a good bit of content down before moving it to its' real domain and promoting it to other gaming communities, who will undoubtedly embrace this project and hopefully contribute their own works for games we aren't as familiar with.

mrsooreams · « **Reply #58 on:** May 08, 2006, 02:04:00 pm »

Fair point. Don't get me wrong, I supported the strats wiki idea from the start and I still think it'll be good.

Ngamer · « **Reply #59 on:** May 08, 2006, 02:32:00 pm »

Not only is your work appreciated, Sauron, it will make the front page of t-e.n four days from now!

But I think it's a mistake to assume that the SRW won't have appeal outside of its core demographic. If we were strats/bios/history only, I could certainly agree, but my vision for the future is a site that not only contains the latest information and strats for all the major games, but also features live streaming video of those accomplishments, so that anyone can not only read about a given strategy, but see it performed live before their eyes.

That's why in the coming days I'm going to make it my top priority to get all of the current WR videos for GE and PD streamed on Google Video, as well as uploaded to thengamer (so if they user prefers, they can have a permanent copy of the vid in its original file format). I've already begun this process on some of our most popular levels; see Defection for instance.

In other news, our campus network is currently down, so until I can get back online, Sam's word is law for anything SRW related.

EDIT - So to put it another way, I would like to make the SRW into another SDA, but with the added advantages of...

- way more info on the games, the runs, and how those runs were accomplished
- no more ridiculous Radix making the rules (for example, we support high scores *gasp!*)
- support for more runs/challenges outside the main storyline (mini-games, low-item runs, and the like)
- anyone can keep us up the date... a site admin, the runner himself, any of the 200 people that watched the run, etc (doesn't all rest on Radix's shoulders)

And more stuff that I'll think of later.

vitor · « **Reply #60 on:** May 08, 2006, 08:30:00 pm »

I agree with Mitrhil there. Although the SWR should have mainly WR strats, some levels have very hard records, like Investigation PA, that have 3 or 4 different good strategies. Other levels would include Infiltration SA/PA, Air Base PA, Deep Sea A/SA (NTSC and PAL), Institute A (two strats), SOS A (both versions)/PA (both safe and insane strat).

In my opinion, most of strats must at least mention a different strategie possible. Ruins A, for example. The WR uses that hard pillar strat, but would be nice if you say that a good record can be done with an easier pillar combination (losing only two seconds).

That way, more people can contribute with the strategies.

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #61 on:** May 09, 2006, 09:36:00 am »

Quote:

"Awesomelasers IS:

A videogame strategy website dedicated to taking gaming above and beyond."

That would mean only the fastest strategy known should be there.

If anything to extend it, don't write multiple strats, write how the other differs from the fastest. no need for duplicate loads of data.

Your Eliteness · « **Reply #62 on:** May 09, 2006, 09:56:00 am »

Sorry for picking up a 4 day old discussion here.

I got the Slayer from the Fly-By-Wire challenge in the Temple. I also got the Callisto from the challenges, and probably some other weapons.

"I have all the weapons with bronze, including the slayer. I still am not able to play The Duel. Anybody know why this doesn't work?"

Again, I state that you do NOT have all the weapons. Post a full list if you are so sure and I'll tell you what weapon you don't have.

Narigutita · « **Reply #63 on:** May 09, 2006, 12:05:00 pm »

prolly proximity/timed mine

and wouter, i guess we coulde use some alternate strat for easier completions, what's so wrong in that? we don't need to be like OMFG WE OWN AND @#%$ THE NEWBIES, WE CAN DO FASTER, LET'S ONLY TELL TEH FASTAH!
meh, using wr strats when you are starting to speedrun sux, you need a strat based on your skills, not on other people's

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #64 on:** May 09, 2006, 01:29:00 pm »

when you try to come with your input to a topic, be sure you know what it's all about. it's been mentioned that this isn't meant to be for starters. if you feel you need strats like that, contact me and I'll be glad to explain how strafing works and what it is. moving on..

RWG · « **Reply #65 on:** May 09, 2006, 05:48:00 pm »

Wouter's right. Speedrunwiki is for going above and beyond what other's can do. Just look at the WRs. Most of the strats haven't been done in WR time by more than 5 people. This is explaining how those people did it so Godly compared to the rest of us. Who gives a @#%$ about something accomplished by 50+ people; that's not even great.

The ONLY exception I can see are NTSC strats for deep sea. That's all. There's no other levels like that really.

Like @#%$, read my strats for B1 A, and frigate A. I don't know much about PD, but if you think a WR is so difficult as to it won't ever be repeated, STATE SO AND MAKE IT A BIG DEAL LIKE I DID.

I believe the main page can sum up the rest of my argument;

"this is about taking gaming above and beyond"

not "this is about helping n00bs get lame PRs"

Narigutita · « **Reply #66 on:** May 09, 2006, 10:27:00 pm »

holy wouter, god of us all
can you, in all your greatness, come down your throne, and in pitty for our noobness, share a piece of your wisdom about your OWNAGE strafing?
OMFG, 1.1 CC IS ****THE**** OWNAGE

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #67 on:** May 10, 2006, 06:49:00 am »

you're completely off topic.

Narigutita · « **Reply #68 on:** May 10, 2006, 10:52:00 am »

meh, i dont really care

vitor · « **Reply #69 on:** May 10, 2006, 11:16:00 am »

Well, if you guys want only WR strats, that's ok for me

matt8k · « **Reply #70 on:** May 10, 2006, 09:47:00 pm »

Anyone considered link exchange to boost web traffic?
eg. Cyberscore?
cyberscore.net/link_swap.php

Silent Thunder · « **Reply #71 on:** May 10, 2006, 11:52:00 pm »

I'm more for multiple strats, at least for some of the TS2 stages. Right now I'm just concerned about getting the fastest strats up for each stage and then getting the TS1 and TSFP pages going.

But for stages like Silent But Deadly, the WR strat(26.7 NTSC, 27.3-27.4 PAL) has been pulled off by three people(the third person did it just today actually) and is extremely difficult. Several other variations exist that still get good(85+ points) times and are much easier to accomplish.

The speedrunwiki is about speedrunning, yes, and the best players and strats should take center stage, but I think it should also help people out who have just started getting into speedrunning. Give them some easier strats as stepping stones to tougher ones. Hell, we're exlaining things like CC and giving out setting recommendations for beginning speedrunners for PD, but we're not giving out any easy strats? Doesn't make sense from that standpoint.

bcks · « **Reply #72 on:** May 11, 2006, 01:23:00 am »

I agree with tim. :smokin

Narigutita · « **Reply #73 on:** May 11, 2006, 09:56:00 am »

go silent!

Ngamer · « **Reply #74 on:** May 12, 2006, 12:41:00 pm »

And Sauron was correct; thanks to his hard work, Perfect Dark currently tops the Wiki World!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

This calls for a front page celebration!

mrsooreams · « **Reply #75 on:** May 12, 2006, 02:48:00 pm »

Now I feel like a kid who threw all his toys out of the pram to get his own way. But seriously, thanks for the appreciation guys. I plan a similar assault on the GoldenEye page over the summer.

RK · « **Reply #76 on:** May 12, 2006, 04:09:00 pm »

Yea I found out that Wiki had Perfect Dark on it news lol. I was doing research

typosaur · « **Reply #77 on:** May 12, 2006, 04:53:00 pm »

I know there are a lot of various opinions on multiple strats, but I just wanted to mention that if the inclusion of alternative strats (read: noob strats) is desired, then I might be interested in contributing. We're of course talking levels for which there exists variations of the WR strat which is easier for noobs to overcome. I also suppose it won't necessarily be a full strat, but rather a description of the parts of the levels that differ from the WR-style, such as the safe Xen jungle strat to name an example.

Anyway, lots of awesome job you guys have been doing on getting the new website up! And congrats on featured article, Mr. Soo Reams :]

Narigutita · « **Reply #78 on:** May 13, 2006, 01:23:00 am »

i was thinking of a whole strat
villa PA for example, i first did, in 2003, a whole different strat (taught by kack) and a infiltration PA too (taught by chuck)
that way, i could get 2:20ish and 3:30ish really easy

RWG · « **Reply #79 on:** May 13, 2006, 01:34:00 am »

just write a full WR strat for statue typo. please?

typosaur · « **Reply #80 on:** May 13, 2006, 08:15:00 am »

Why don't you just write a full WR strat for statue yourself, whity. please?

RWG · « **Reply #81 on:** May 13, 2006, 10:59:00 am »

because I've written 15 strats already

Your Eliteness · « **Reply #82 on:** May 13, 2006, 12:09:00 pm »

I wrote the WR strat for AF1 PA today. I kept it basic. I assumed everyone has seen the video and knows the objectives. I mentioned other ways the level could be done and why they are slower.

Looking back, it really is a complex level, just like every other level in the game. I could just imagine trying to explain it to someone who has never played the game before. Even a level as simple as Infil Agent turns into a complex strategy when you break it down. What we've done with both games is truly amazing. Three cheers to us.

Nick-Rollins · « **Reply #83 on:** May 13, 2006, 12:30:00 pm »

As long as it's made clear which is the world record strategy, why object to listing easier/more consistent slower strategies on the site? The GE/PD Strats Central pages list numerous target times for levels, so why not this? You don't even need full strategies for each one, just a list of major places where the level can be done differently, and how much time each change is likely to add.

Speaking of PD Strats Central: I don't know if it's still maintained, but the links to SamSim's strategies need to be changed to reflect his new site, and although GE Strats Central is listed on the main the-elite.net page, the PD one isn't. I suppose Speedrunwiki will make them both obsolete, anyway.

SamSim · « **Reply #84 on:** May 14, 2006, 03:17:00 pm »

I have nothing against easier strats. However, I think it'd be better to have a SINGLE strat, and when the appropriate time comes, you explain 1) the easy way and 2) the hard way. Instead of having two separate strats.

typosaur · « **Reply #85 on:** May 14, 2006, 06:17:00 pm »

That's a possibilty, but the length of the text will increase by a lot since certain alternative strats will require a somewhat detailed description. Might be the better way to do it anyway since anyone can alter the text to fill in alternative strat suggestions.

I wrote a one page guide on the safe Xenia strat for Jungle SA/00 the other day, so I thought I'd might as well publish that one now until someone does a full WR strat.. figured it's better than nothing, right?

vitor · « **Reply #86 on:** May 14, 2006, 07:22:00 pm »

Quote

Quote:
I have nothing against easier strats. However, I think it'd be better to have a SINGLE strat, and when the appropriate time comes, you explain 1) the easy way and 2) the hard way. Instead of having two separate strats.

Agreed.

RWG · « **Reply #87 on:** May 14, 2006, 07:36:00 pm »

I think the WR strat should be right there and obvious to everyone and stuff.

Then you could say for some part of a level something along the lines of:

"There is an easier way to do this, see reference #1"

then lower down the page, there could be a header saying "easier strat references" which would explain easier ways to do certain areas of levels and things.

Just so like that, the text isn't large, people who seek WR strats don't end up reading n00b defecatory substances, and everyone will be happy.

Narigutita · « **Reply #88 on:** May 14, 2006, 11:09:00 pm »

liked goose's idea
edit: altough, villa PA, we had like a totally different strat, cause villa PA can be tough with WR strat if you are slow
in that case, what do you guys think we should do?
ignore that easier strat, or do a new strat under?
i think 2 strat stages would be rare, so i think its something we can do

typosaur · « **Reply #89 on:** May 15, 2006, 03:54:00 am »

Yeah, I agree with Goose.

And if there are two more or less completely different strats (one easier than the WR, which Nari pointed out for Villa PA), I think it is appropriate to simply list both of the strats, with the assumption that it is made clear which is the actual WR strat, of course ,and why the alternative strat is easier and slower.

Just list alternative strats below and give a reference to them in the WR strat if necessary, rather than explaining a whole lot which is not at all part of the WR strat.

Ngamer · « **Reply #90 on:** May 15, 2006, 07:48:00 pm »

Nick (and other editors): We've decided to break from the Wiki tradition in that we will NOT be using italics to set off a videogame title. Since all titles will already be bolded and/or linked, the extra markup is unnecessary and only makes the article more difficult to read.

deletedprofile.u · « **Reply #91 on:** May 23, 2006, 09:20:00 am »

Going back to the Duel, I got it. I was missing proxy mines. So it's confirmed.

You only need bronze on weapons for the duel

News:

Author Topic: Wikipedia page (Read 3564 times)