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Comet · « **Reply #150 on:** August 17, 2005, 01:06:00 pm »

Also on the SA run he lost time taking out the hovercopter.

Wyst3r · « **Reply #151 on:** August 17, 2005, 01:36:00 pm »

Depends on what you mean by "loosing time". Doing an early shot there would be a big risk to take especially with this strat...

Comet · « **Reply #152 on:** August 17, 2005, 01:40:00 pm »

Sure it's a risk, but you have to take risks to get lower times. Besides, I was refering to the copter he got on PA, although I'm not sure how it works. Is the copter position random or in the same place every time?

vitor · « **Reply #153 on:** August 17, 2005, 03:04:00 pm »

It's position changes with your speed. If you look at your time and think a little, you'll probably do a right guess of where the copter is. But when you're on a good run (like Bryan's), there's no time to think and do a fast shot, so what Bryan did was by far the correct move.

One day when someone try to improve that, yes, a fast shot shall be done.

Boss · « **Reply #154 on:** August 17, 2005, 03:24:00 pm »

I think the copter speed is based on your bg room for the most part. So if you do a @#%$ bg room chances are it should be right of the X, else to the left enough if it's a great bg room. Ideally the records should be about 118ish/130ish.

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #155 on:** August 17, 2005, 06:56:00 pm »

I think PA should be able to make the door SA style. Then you can talk about something hard to pull off.

vitor · « **Reply #156 on:** August 17, 2005, 08:53:00 pm »

yeah

Narigutita · « **Reply #157 on:** August 17, 2005, 09:35:00 pm »

THAT would need to kill both guys downstairs

Your Eliteness · « **Reply #158 on:** August 17, 2005, 09:41:00 pm »

I've shot the chopper on the left side of the X many times before. It's actually easier, as long as you're fast enough.

And when I say middle floor, I mean the middle floor. The one right under Cass's office and the one above floor-o-speed.

Matt-Cook1 · « **Reply #159 on:** August 17, 2005, 11:19:00 pm »

Obviously I know what you mean. You're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about.

I haven't seen the vid for PA, and i'm assuming the strat hasn't changed at all.

Here's something that MIGHT work for PA (maybe you've tried w/o success). It will strongly depend on dr carol, but should be perfect, if it works, which it probably doesn't :lol

Open door though lift, go upstairs, kill 3 guards, come back down, call lift (maybe shut it when you leave?), go to objectives, come back, open door through wall (the lift is open...) and continue.

I think I tried this but I can't remember what the outcomes were.

Your Eliteness · « **Reply #160 on:** August 17, 2005, 11:40:00 pm »

We know this. And Boss's PA strat is indeed different to the 1:39/1:40 strat.

Matt-Cook1 · « **Reply #161 on:** August 17, 2005, 11:45:00 pm »

Ah, Bryan used that one. I probably told him that too. I remember that one fails a bit because carol calls it down.

edit: I probably sound like a dick, ranting about how I invented these strats, but so I should be IMO. Bryan didn't even give me one bit of credit, but instead got praised for inventing them. What a gay.

Boss · « **Reply #162 on:** August 17, 2005, 11:48:00 pm »

No I thought it up myself whether you posted it or not. I was referring to the PA one. Obviously you made a vid of the SA strat, thus you get credit for that.

Matt-Cook1 · « **Reply #163 on:** August 17, 2005, 11:58:00 pm »

Care to point where that credit is? Where's the "thanks to Matt for the strat which he spoon fed to me"? Where's the contradiction by you to the n00bs who praised you for inventing it?

Boss · « **Reply #164 on:** August 18, 2005, 12:03:00 am »

The n00bs didn't see your SA strat vid probably. All they see is me pulling it off on a real run, thus their praise. Being spoon fed a strat is one thing, but pulling it off is another. It took me like 15 hours to pull it off for the first time on a real run. You've invented more complicated tricks/strats than anyone else in the last couple years. Thank you.

Matt-Cook1 · « **Reply #165 on:** August 18, 2005, 12:08:00 am »

And thank you for your sarcastic appreciation.

You don't need to say anything NOW. That's pointless. It's gay of you that you didn't credit me, you're a lesser person for not doing so and that's the end of it.

Boss · « **Reply #166 on:** August 18, 2005, 12:45:00 am »

I dunno how you can think I'm sarcastic about this. I don't know what more you want out of me. I thanked you in my last post, but you don't think anything of it so yeah. You didn't spoon feed me the 122. @#%$ you.

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #167 on:** August 18, 2005, 04:58:00 am »

actually I think Bryan is the first to use full speed for leaving the lift, so he can make the door somewhat easier. That's where your strat failed, Matt, and therefor it was probably harder for you to make it (if you ever even did).

Matt-Cook1 · « **Reply #168 on:** August 18, 2005, 06:35:00 am »

Wrong; try again.

Cervone · « **Reply #169 on:** August 18, 2005, 06:58:00 am »

You're a fucking moron, Matt. Nobody gives a fuck who thought of the strat first. It only matters who pulls it off first (proves that its faster). I can't think of a better example right now, so this one kind of sucks, but here it is anyway. Energy. The best way to create energy is a matter/antimatter collision. This was probably realized by some doofus 50 years ago. If/when a controlled matter/antimatter reaction is finally produced and usable energy is obtained, who gets the credit? Obviously, the one who engineered the experiment. Not the doofus that realized the energy potential of matter/antimatter collisions.

In conclusion, stop your bitching about Bryan not giving you credit. You don't deserve credit, since you were too shitty to pull it off. And for the record, I can certainly confirm that Bryan thought of the PA strat entirely on his own. I was the first person he told the strat too (he hadn't even PRed with it yet), and from his conversation then I knew for a fact he didn't learn that strat from you.

Matt-Cook1 · « **Reply #170 on:** August 18, 2005, 07:20:00 am »

If I don't deserve credit, then my role was useless in Bryan getting 1:22. In that case he would have gotten 1:22 without me. Seeing as the latter is false, then the prior is false. Hence my role wasn't useless, hence I deserve credit.

Obviously I don't want people to praise me from the roof tops. I certainly don't think I deserve more praise than Bryan for the achievement of 1:22. All I expected was for Bryan to say "used Matt's strat" and contradict people when they said "Wow! Great strat Bryan! Can't believe no one thought of it!"

As for your example. You're right; it's bad. If people say to the guy who proves it "wow, how did you ever conjure up that this method would be the best???", then he's not going to say "Well it just came to me". He's going to say "Heh, I didn't think of it, so and so did".

All in all, I just think Bryan should have had the decency to say "Used Matt's strat" instead of letting people think he invented it. You can't possibly disagree with that.

Your Eliteness · « **Reply #171 on:** August 18, 2005, 07:43:00 am »

Matt, I don't think he even knew you'd already thought of the strat when he posted it. Yes, he thought of the SA strat himself even though you'd thought of it ages ago.

bcks · « **Reply #172 on:** August 18, 2005, 09:02:00 am »

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I can't think of a better example right now, so this one kind of sucks, but here it is anyway.

Me = silo 00 strat.

I proved it was as fast, or faster then the stairs way. Also, 17.9 nat endings for control.

Matt-Cook1 · « **Reply #173 on:** August 18, 2005, 09:37:00 am »

Just stay out of it Ryan. You don't know anything.

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #174 on:** August 18, 2005, 11:19:00 am »

well you shouldn't blame Bryan wholly on this. I just watched your ext sa strat vid again and saw you also usedt the trick to leave the lift in full speed. so I was wrong there. it's your strat, as in, you were the first to find out it's possible. I have to say though, quite a bad stuck in your vid

but how about think what would happened if you had advertised for your strat some more in the past? and think about how ignorant the other people are that say it's Bryan's strat. it's not Bryan's fault they never saw your ext sa vid/remember it. I think they just meant to say (being in "shock" by the sudden surprise Bryan posted) congrats to him but gave credit in the wrong place.. which is understandable, since a new strat pulled off and heaps of seconds shaved off = interesting, something new.
I don't think Bryan was trying to steal your praise at all, there's totally no need to when just having got his Dual Champ Status. sometimes when you are overly happy, you don't think about the exact facts and just be overly happy instead.

I think you do get your praise, Matt, it's just too bad that it happens in a way that you barely even notice it, or possibly not at all. You do get mad props for more than this strat, strats like CS which I find much more impressive, I could have invented this ext sa strat easily myself since all you really have to figure out is if you can be fast enough back there before the door closed on you, since somebody else already found the "open door through wall" trick for us. this strat is only an extension to the agent strat in my eyes.

Soft-Hedwig · « **Reply #175 on:** August 18, 2005, 11:41:00 am »

A brief mention of Matt's input might not have gone amiss.

Arnie

Narigutita · « **Reply #176 on:** August 18, 2005, 12:41:00 pm »

i think its matt's strat, i saw that video way before bryan's 1:22, but the bodyguards were all killed, but with that stuck, i didnt think someone would get it soon

well, anyway, i think its matt's strat, but no use of bryan say it was matt's strat, matt should just have posted that vid before, then everybody would see your... "goal" when the 1:22 came up

the PA one i dont know

Boss · « **Reply #177 on:** August 18, 2005, 01:22:00 pm »

All I want credit for with the SA strat is that I was the first to pull it off on a real run. I did not invent it. I don't ever recall saying that I invented the SA strat. I hope you understand that. It's the "n00bs" that have it all wrong.

typosaur · « **Reply #178 on:** August 18, 2005, 01:42:00 pm »

Why do you want n00bs to praise you anyway?

DarkSlayer64 · « **Reply #179 on:** August 18, 2005, 08:30:00 pm »

All I expected was for Bryan to say "used Matt's strat" and contradict people when they said "Wow! Great strat Bryan! Can't believe no one thought of it!"

That was a clear reference to my post, so I have to reply to that. Matt, how would I fucking know it wasn't Bryan's strat? I had never seen that stuff being performed before, hell, I didn't even know there was a video of you showing the strat. Then I assumed that Bryan invented it, simple like that. You should have posted the strat on the boards when you found it some time ago, or at least give some hints.

Congrats for discovering it then, it's a very nice strat, no doubt about that. Sorry if my post offended you or hurt your feelings, even though that's totally impossible in my view.

vitor · « **Reply #180 on:** August 18, 2005, 09:23:00 pm »

Get a life, Matt.

You never made the strat public, what are you complaining about? What's the point of bitching about that video, if mostly people haven't even heard of it?

Let's say you lost a few minutes of your life to think of the strat and Bryan took 15 hours to pull it off on a good run (which you didn't?). I don't see a reason for you being so @#%$ gay and wanting all the credit for it.

Stop being so childish, damn.

Your Eliteness · « **Reply #181 on:** August 18, 2005, 09:28:00 pm »

Any respect you gained for creating the strat has been shot down by the way you're acting now.

Not-so-Perfect-Dark · « **Reply #182 on:** August 18, 2005, 10:02:00 pm »

Congrats on finding out that strat, Bryan!

(seriously though, good job to Matt for figuring it out, he does deserve credit)

bcks · « **Reply #183 on:** August 18, 2005, 11:02:00 pm »

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You never made the strat public

He did, there is a vid for it. Unless you mean makeing a topic about it or getting on the world news, then no i guess it wasn't public.

Djie · « **Reply #184 on:** August 18, 2005, 11:07:00 pm »

I had never heard about it until now, if he posted it on the board I mustve skipped over his post (I usually do it anyway

). I dont have any other input to bring. I just have the feeling that Matt is overreacting and should get a life.

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #185 on:** August 19, 2005, 04:28:00 am »

it's not a new strat, it's a new knowledge: now we know it's possible to make the door that is opened by the "open door through the wall strat". who here can honestly say they didn't know about the possibility that we can open that door through the wall? you can't? no new strat there then.

Not-so-Perfect-Dark · « **Reply #186 on:** August 19, 2005, 04:46:00 am »

I don't exactly agree with that, but let me just say that I agree, mainly for the sake of not starting an arguement

Matt-Cook1 · « **Reply #187 on:** August 19, 2005, 06:37:00 am »

Ryan... get a clue. Your recent posts in this topic are so clueless. You don't know anything about the extraction strat, you don't know what i'm talking about, you don't know what Bryan's talking about. Just leave it.

Your Eliteness · « **Reply #188 on:** August 19, 2005, 07:30:00 am »

Oh, wait. You're talking about the 1:22 strat? Oh man, now I understand! :lol

TreAKAHotdog · « **Reply #189 on:** August 19, 2005, 09:39:00 am »

Matt-Cook1 · « **Reply #190 on:** August 19, 2005, 10:17:00 am »

He could also not move forward when shooting the lone bodyguard on the middle floor.

Dipshit. You have to run forward or the door wont open.

And when I say middle floor, I mean the middle floor. The one right under Cass's office and the one above floor-o-speed.

Wow! Still insisting youre right. Bad form.

We know this. And Boss's PA strat is indeed different to the 1:39/1:40 strat.

You know it? How do you know it? More importantly, how should I have known you knew it? Because I told you it right then and there? It certainly wasnt in Bryans vid.

Matt, I don't think he even knew you'd already thought of the strat when he posted it. Yes, he thought of the SA strat himself even though you'd thought of it ages ago.

Idiot. He already admitted he didnt think of it.

Any respect you gained for creating the strat has been shot down by the way you're acting now.

When did I try to gain respect? All I expected was common courtesy from Bryan.

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Now you tell me why any of your input was useful. Or try and convince me that you know what you're talking about. If you want to argue with me, you have to get at least some facts right.

Narigutita · « **Reply #191 on:** August 19, 2005, 12:13:00 pm »

PR using the strat, then you will have the credit you want

vitor · « **Reply #192 on:** August 19, 2005, 09:12:00 pm »

Holy @#%$ Matt, I thought you couldn't be more gay and retarded.

Matt-Cook1 · « **Reply #193 on:** August 20, 2005, 07:30:00 am »

WTF! Ryan stole my P2 strat and didn't credit me! $:\$

Cool run though, and cool idea :hat

Kudos.

Your Eliteness · « **Reply #194 on:** August 20, 2005, 07:39:00 am »

Matt's joking...

Basically, I throw an n-bomb instead of CMP'ing the 8th and 9th guards. Oh, but I can't switch to CMP fast enough to kill the 10th (last) alarm guard. So I have to n-bomb him too. But that affects the guards in the hallway next to him. I get back to that door at the bottom of the stairs before it closes, thus saving even more time. No n-bombs left for the GPS-stair guards. Those guards affected by the n-bomb end up following you to Elvis, or getting stuck at the red stairs (unlike normal, where they stay in that other hallway out of the way). I think I had a Janus near the red stairs (thank God).

But yeah. More guards alerted = more guards on way back = harder to PR. But you're 3 seconds ahead of normal pace. I doubt this strat should be used on PA, it's certainly not worth it. More guards = death.

The run was a low-mid 34 speech skip, which is gay because I got backboosted on my way back from moonpool. Best I've gotten is a 33 flat skip. 46 xray door (best 45). Good xray but not best. Dunno about 3rd door after xray, looks like 0:58 or 0:59 (best = 0:57). 1:13 door to Elvis. Solid but shaky after that. Very low 1:43 xray pause = very high 1:47.

EDIT: Things that make this harder than the normal strat:

- The first n-bomb can detonate instantly if it rebounds wrongly (about 20% chance), but this is skill more than luck.
- Stucks/backboosts on the way back from moonpool are common, which means you can't make the door before it closes.
- Guards on GPS stairs can't be n-bombed (none left). They're gay.
- Lots more guards to get stuck on when returning from Elvis. Or about 10 guards all having an orgy on the red stairs.

I had no doors open on the return from Elvis on this run, but considering the number of 1:48s I got (7), the high decimal, the time it took and the luck I had with that Janus guard at red stairs, I don't really want to go for lower. I can see this time being untied for a while (watch me get proven wrong).

Also, my first 1:48 was old strat. All other 1:48s were new strat.

Narigutita · « **Reply #195 on:** August 20, 2005, 08:02:00 am »

nice run, seems preety hard to get PII lower than that
gj =P

Matt-Cook1 · « **Reply #196 on:** August 20, 2005, 08:07:00 am »

My 131 vid is available off Ryan for all you faggots. I hope the shitty quality burns your eyes out.

Phil-Hughes · « **Reply #197 on:** August 20, 2005, 11:07:00 am »

You still have one fan Matt, good job on 1:31 and that last comment wasn't 'retarded' but rather, 'funny as hell', along with a lot of your other posts.

Matt-Cook1 · « **Reply #198 on:** August 20, 2005, 11:19:00 am »

Cheers Phil :smokin

Narigutita · « **Reply #199 on:** August 20, 2005, 04:15:00 pm »

i like matt, he does strats =P

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