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« on: August 11, 2005, 04:23:00 pm »
Hey, long time fan of The Elite.  

Was wondering if you guys knew about TimeSplitters: Future Perfect, which allows you to play challenges online so you can work for verifiable top performances without having to worry about taping your runs and sending vids around.  I don't see anything about TS:FP here, which I find weird...

Also, there's Perfect Dark Zero coming up...actually, you'll probably want to play that one multiplayer on Xbox Live, instead of speed runs...should actually be more fun, though -- MUCH less tedious.  Hope you didn't spend *all* your time playing the story mode! :rollin

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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2005, 04:32:00 pm »
xbox sux
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2005, 04:45:00 pm »
Oh, please.  "You know what?  YOU suck."

I don't agree, and here are a few reasons why:

Xbox Live
Splinter Cell
Knights of the Old Republic
Ninja Gaiden
Fable
TimeSplitters: Future Perfect
Jade Empire


I'd say it's a must-have system for any discerning gamer.  And what you should've said was "'xbox'?  more like 'blecchs-box'!"

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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2005, 05:02:00 pm »
xbox sucks.

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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2005, 05:04:00 pm »
There are TS:FP rankings and pages linked on the front of The-Elite, though it's probably labelled as TS2, as they're hosted at the same place.  Check out www.scopinfo.com for more on that.

Perfect Dark Zero was a big story around here... 4 years ago when they announced it.  It's been delayed so much that most of us don't care about it, and I doubt very many of us will buy a XBox360 just for that game.

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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2005, 05:42:00 pm »
XBOX sucks

Thank you Maddox

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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2005, 07:53:00 pm »
Eh?  PD finally goes online and your prediction is that no one here will care?  What kind of fans could they possibly be?
 
You've put so much effort into being one of "the best Goldeneye and Perfect Dark players in the world", and you'd forsake the first real opportunity to defend that claim?

That's all right...speed runs don't really make you all that great at multiplayer anyway.  You're probably right - please leave PDZ to the real fans.

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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2005, 08:47:00 pm »
We don't claim to be fans. We just claim to be the top players in GoldenEye and Perfect Dark. Just because another game comes out in the series doesn't mean we're going to buy it and speedrun that too. A real speedrunner sticks at one game forever, else you're not as good at that game as you can be.

Besides, spending tons of money for a new system and a game that we know almost nothing about yet sounds pretty stupid.

Simply put, we aren't interested.

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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2005, 09:03:00 pm »
i play tfc, "tfc2" is coming out, i dont care cause my pc can't stand for it
that means i dont like tfc?

btw: if you think speed running cant make us good at multiplayer... challenge us
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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2005, 10:18:00 pm »
Just go away, dude.

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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2005, 10:38:00 pm »
YE sums it up pretty good there.

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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2005, 03:30:00 am »
Not to mention Rare got sold to Microsoft :rolleyes

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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2005, 04:05:00 am »
*joins discussion*

-Xbox sucks-

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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2005, 05:54:00 am »
Xbox's are good..........
























































for weight lifting.:b  :lol

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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2005, 06:02:00 am »
*joins*

Sorry Machinist, but what you say about 'real' fans and such is dead wrong. I think we are probably bigger fans than someone who just plays multiplayer because we are trying to push the limits of the game to the absolute max. Speedrunning takes more determination and effort than you imagine. Would we really play these games to this extent if we weren't 'real' fans? Just because we don't want to commit to buying an XBox 360 just to play PDZ (if it's ever released anyway) doesn't mean that we aren't 'fans' of perfect dark. If someone was to buy a next-generation console, then, unless they were completely brand-loyal, they would look at the whole lineup of games. I have switched back and forward over the years between Sega and Nintendo consoles, and i am seriously considering getting a PS3 when it comes out. Does this mean that i am not a fan of Sega or Nintendo consoles because i don't have them all? No - it simply means that i want to try a variety of games out and widen my experience of video games.

Also, i have to say that some players here could probably cream you at multi. There is no definite callibration between solo and multi skills, but i have no doubt in saying that my accuracy and skill for multi have increased dramatically since i started playing solo missions on GE and PD. The only true test of skill is on LTK multi as other settings can often discriminate unfairly based purely on what weapons you have at the time. For example, in some multi matches with my friends, non-LTK matches have been ultra-close, but switch to LTK and i can beat them hands down. No question. I attained these skills from repeatedly playing solo missions for fast times - there is no doubt about this. If you want proof of these skills, check out YE's and others' challenge 30 shutout vids.

*leaves*

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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2005, 06:30:00 am »
I don't think we're fans at all. Actually I don't give a @#%$ about the story line of PD, and wouldn't care too much about getting a sequel. I"m just a big geek with nothing to do when I've ran out of hmwk and my g/f isn't here and my friends are doing other @#%$. So yeah... welcome to geekfest.

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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2005, 08:12:00 am »
Girlfriend? :lol

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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2005, 08:34:00 am »
"Girlfriend? :lol "

HEAUIEUIAUEAHEAIUEAHAE pwned
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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2005, 08:59:00 am »
pics.now!  >D

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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2005, 10:07:00 am »
now this is evilish, I see both Henrik and Ryan post their 666 today.
sexy, this

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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2005, 11:40:00 am »
Maybe we aren't as "excited" as we should be about PDZ, but after years and years of waiting and disappointments, who can blame us?  I know that the early screens and vids for the game have looked decent enough, but there's just such a long sad history when it comes to the end-product of games that were developed for one system, then torn down and re-built for another.  To hold out a huge amount of hope for a game that was ported onto a new platform not once but twice just seems too large a risk to me.

And when you add in the fact that we'll be having to pay ~$400 up front to own this 360 and its flagship title, I think it's easy to understand why the Elite isn't going crazy about the game, "true fans" or not.

PS - Online-submitted official world scoreboards are certainly a nice feature, but in no way are they a substitute for having full video proof of a gaming accomplishment.  For proof of this you need look no further than the disaster which was the first round of the Master Ninja Tournament over Live a couple years back.
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« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2005, 04:53:00 pm »
See, this is what I like about you guys...you usually have interesting points...but I still think you're being closed-minded.

"A real speedrunner sticks at one game forever..."

Yeah, well, what is a "real speedrunner", anyway?  Actually, don't tell me -- I don't care.  The multiplayer for these games is so much more fun than speed runs, when you have other players available.  And soon, with PDZ over Xbox Live, you'll *always* have other players available.

You're right, just because you don't want the newest installment, doesn't mean you don't like the series, but in this case, I would wonder who, that liked the first two games, wouldn't like PDZ...from the previews I've read, it's going to kick major ass, in the high tradition of the franchise.

Durk, you say you notice that when you're not playing LTK, it's sometimes a close match with your friends?  Probably because strafing and aiming aren't all there is to multiplayer -- but they're pretty much all there is to speed runs.  

In multiplayer, you have to have a strategy, and also analyze the strategies of your opponents and adapt accordingly...there's very little adaptation that is required of the speedrunner, and what is there is on a micro level (is Guard X running routine A this time, or routine B?).  Interestingly, in PDZ there will be more randomization to the solo missions,and thus more improvisation wil be required of the would-be speedrunner.  Anybody up to the task?

LTK is the least strategic way to play multiplayer; I don't understand why anyone would even *prefer* it -- much less call it the only true test of skill.

So, yes, I will gladly challenge anyone here.  Anyone in the San Francisco Bay area?  I'm playing TimeSplitters: FP online all the time, and I know the multiplayer of Goldeneye and Perfect Dark inside and out - I am in no way afraid of the highly specialized, largely irrelevant training you've been undertaking by speedrunning.  If there's no one in proximity, there is one other way:  GET PDZ AND PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS!!

As a matter of fact, I really *don't* think being good at speed runs necessarily makes you one of the best players in the world...for one, I think the multiplayer is what makes these games special in the first place.

Hey, I've been waiting just as long, through just as many disappointments, and all it took was the preview in EGM for me to realize how cool this game will be.  Do a little research if you don't know anything about it...it will almost certainly be released in the U.S. before year's end, and it's brimming with great features.

So what was the Ninja Gaiden disaster?  Someone was taking advantage of glitches?  Exploits?  Because you guys have been doing that for years...



Oh well...can't teach old dogs new tricks?  Guess I'll just see anyone's who's interested in Rare's latest-and-greatest online in a few months.  P-p-p-p-peace, y'all.

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« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2005, 05:33:00 pm »
can somebody kick this guy ass so he'll shut up?
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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2005, 05:54:00 pm »
No, I'm afraid nobody can, that's why it's so hilarious when you guys resort (incessantly!) to your flamer bullshit.

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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2005, 06:25:00 pm »
I like XBox!  Do you have Live and Halo 2?  We'll play!  :evil

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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2005, 07:04:00 pm »
that happens often on brazilian elite
several guys come and say:
OMFG GOD, DEFECTION A 6, THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE, YOU GUYS ARE A BUNCH OF LIERS AND I COULD RAPE YOU ON MULTIPLAYER OR COUNTER STRIKE

i went to 3 of those guys, and did normal matches like 20x1 (not ltk, ltk sux)
watch multiplayer videos, of Lec, karl, YE or anybody else and then die
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« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2005, 07:51:00 pm »
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As a matter of fact, I really *don't* think being good at speed runs necessarily makes you one of the best players in the world.


Why, because you suck at speedrunning?

Being good at speedruns makes you one of the best speedruning players in the world (at that game).

What DOES make you the best player in the world? Having your own computer graphics card line? You don't state what makes the qualities of a best player in the world, all you do is say that just because we're REALLY GOOD at Story Mode (usually the purpose of any videogame), we still aren't the world champion at that game.

If you're going to shove this crap in our face about you saying you'll own us, prove it.

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« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2005, 10:26:00 pm »
I love people who think they can beat us in multiplayer. Just because they can beat all their friends who don't play PD much, they think they can beat anyone. Congratulations, you can beat about 5 people every time... out of 6 billion people or however many there are in the world.

Of course, there's no practical way to get all 6 billion in the world to play against each other to find an ultimate champion. The best we have is solo, because it's the same on every game around the world (except PAL/NTSC). Speedrunning is an accurate test of skill. You can say "I'm better than you because I have this time on this level and you don't" but you can't say "I'm better than you because I beat my dad in a deathmatch 10 times in a row and you can't beat yours". Obviously this is a competitive worldwide community here, so solo is what matters.

I know very little about PDZ. I know it's a sequel to PD, will most likely be on the Xbox 360, and will probably be all puffy and gay like Wind Waker. I don't care about all the new games that come out. I couldn't even tell you the names of the latest ones. I don't care about PDZ, especially when it's on a console I don't own or even intend to get. I'd rather eat crap than buy an Xbox (I have a huge dislike to any Microsoft product that isn't free, and crap can't taste that bad).

Skills transfer from solo to multiplayer fine. Like movement, aiming, and reflexes. The true tactics, like crouching moments before coming into a gunfight, come from the head. "Hey, I might crouch this time to make him miss me." "I'll fool him by stopping right before I come around the corner." "He's aiming far to the right in that hallway... when I come out I'll stick to his left, then cross back to his right when he adjusts."

Answer me this: How many times have you beaten challenge 30 without the computer sims scoring? How many times have you done it in a row, with a friend?

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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2005, 12:22:00 am »
I'm the worst at arguing online, but I'll try...

See, if you read anything in the Goldeneye topics, I am probably just like you to most people here in the elite. I am an @#%$ when it comes to claims of being good. I'm greedy, conceided, and really annoying. But there's one very important thing that separates us in this sense, I can 100% back up everything I say.

See, I was like you back 2 years ago, completely a bullshitter in everything and annoying, I was banned and most people forgot about me. Of course, I started cleaning up my act and actually proved everything I ever claimed. 100% fully proven* now and hopefully, at least respected by everyone, not necessarily liked.

Now, lets get down to business. You are not a good PD player one bit as compared to people here. One thing that separates, although not much, is how well you can strafe in multi. Knowing BOTH screen settings like me (wide and full) is crucial. Also, I guarantee you cannot pull off shots like I can in multi. I have 45+ multi vids up for grabs, 3 in PD, I'd love to see you compare to me. I have mastered every gun in the game, even knives. I can take you with either a standard pistol, or a Magnum, whichever (in fact, I think I'm better with a Magnum than anything else). I'm not a super dominant flukey player, however, who gets insane strafing Magnum kills on command, but I'm consistent and always come through when an elite player should. I'm not perfect, I die, but 90% of the time when I either make a super mistake or get incredibly unlucky from a far shot from my friend. This is my Goldeneye side talking, but EVERYTHING I say transfers to PD, I just don't like the framerate and have a more heartfelt attachment to GE, so I play that instead.

In addition to being good at multi, being good at solo, or you're "speedrunning" makes you especially good at any particular game for a few reasons. One is being able to know how avoid bullets. For some parts of GE, leaning to a certain side of a guard can prevent you from being backboosted in an important part of the level (Silo, for example, going on the side of the gun in which the gun is being held, avoids backboosts usually). Only experience will get you this knowledge. A 2nd thing, is being able to do many things that most people will only dream of learning. Door warping, mine throwing, timed exits, speech skipping, all this stuff is truly ELITE in speedrunning. It's not a thing of running through the levels hoping to not die, there's so much more stuff to it, it's unbelievable. For example, Bunker 1 in Goldeneye is probably the single most complicated level concentrated into 1 minute 7 seconds. 5 objectives, and a movable area about the size of your average garage. 4 cameras, tons of guards, being able to handle Boris and where he goes to optimize time lost and what to do if you have a guard in your way if you pause, it only comes from experience and only the best players have under 1:11 on Bunker 1. More good examples are how fast you can take out 4 alarms on Dam, how good you are with aiming a tank on Runway, how fast you can take out locks on Surface 1, how risky you are with any bug throw, it's all there. And you can only get that kind of experience and skill with solo play, and of course, it transfers to multiplayer and PD. Solo enhances strafing, door opening (yes), and warping skills not found in Combat Simulator alone.

A PD equivalent of this is doing something ridiculously complex like Defection or Investigation. Both levels involve so many things to do that one must first be good at getting to objectives on time, utilize any spare time, and making sure you don't die in the process. You my friend, have lost any argument of saying that solo players aren't the best players in the world.

The only reason I made this post, really, is to tell you to NEVER underestimate the skills of even the crappy players here on the ranks. Sure you may THINK you're good, but I thought I was too. You're nothing until you at least put some vids up, and you're never good until you watch other vids and realize what you're up against. You have only seen yourself play and maybe some friends, you're used to only certain moves to have to pull off. I, however, have seen over 100 multi vids and have learned from the best (Karl, Wouter, Greg Lewis, other Aussies). I've mastered all that is needed to defeat even the best players (in my opinion, (I think I can beat them anyway, but that's not the point)

So don't try to defend yourself, it's hopeless. And even if PDZ comes out, it's different controls will screw up everyone and no one here will be nearly as competitive on XBox360 as they are on N64.

Thank you, goodbye.

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« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2005, 01:26:00 am »
Xbox sucks.

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« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2005, 08:18:00 am »
Watch Karl G5 PA 55, then tell me if that didn't teach him anything
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« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2005, 01:39:00 pm »
What's the point of trying to convince us that PDZ is the best game ever? No one around here cares about whether it's good or not anyways.

And as many others before me said, Just becouse we pwn your ass on single player doesn't mean we are terrible on multiplayer. In fact, we pwn pretty bad there too.




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« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2005, 01:44:00 pm »
What did I just say?  I'm willing to challenge anyone in my area.  No, I'm not going to spend 200 dollars on a plane ticket just to play a few games with one of you, but that's the whole reason I'm trying to gauge interest in PDZ (so far, your gauge is reading a flat zero) -- come November, we (i.e. those of us who have focused on multiplayer, and those of you who have focused on speedruns) will all have a chance to see what our training has really accomplished.

If speedrunning really makes you so good at multiplayer, then PDZ will be a veritable podium from which to proclaim your superiority -- but I'm pretty sure you're going to be getting your asses kicked by people that play games like Halo 2, Counter-Strike, Unreal Tournament...

Actually, no, I don't suck at speedrunning -- it appears that the skills I developed in multiplayer carried over quite well into speedrunning.  After all, you have to do just as much strafing and aiming in multiplayer, and it doesn't take a genius to look up the strats for any given solo mission.  And speedruns have been a neat way to compete indirectly.  But soon there will be no need for that, and I think a lot of the people who start playing PDZ's multiplayer would scratch their heads at those who would just play the solo levels over and over instead.

The Challenge 30 argument is nonsense, because it's not really fundamentally different from a solo mission run -- there is fairly predictable AI involved, so the experience just isn't very organic.  You all are asking me to prove my own ability, but really it's you that aren't willing to prove yours -- I plan to have an Xbox 360 and PDZ on launch day.

Now, speaking of Karl, I saw some of his multiplayer vids -- he wasn't that good!  First, it was LTK -- there is virtually no strategy to LTK!  One weapon is barely better than another, and the only strategy is "do I jump out from cover now, or later?"  

Second, I saw him get killed by slapper.  And yet he is one of the top Elites.  To me, that is a strong indicator that your solo training is too specialized to carry over to multiplayer very well.  The deftness of movement, yes.  The aiming, not so much, because guards move far more predictably than a good multiplayer opponent.  The strategy...what strategy?  Every speedrun plays out in one of a mere handful of ways.  

I mean, @#%$ -- how much of your life do you waste just waiting for missions to reload?  You've got to restart, over and over and over and over...

So why do I think multiplayer is the better show of skill?  Because your opponent is right in there with you.  He has the ability to interfere with you, to adapt to you, to anticipate your actions, to say "No, starting the mission right after Carrington says 'the key is useless', falling through the level and into the elevator, these things won't help you this time -- you'll have to come up with something else -- you'll have to improve your strategy."  

I don't care if some dude up in Switzerland has all the time in the world to waste on GoldenEye solo missions -- I'm too busy playing new single player games, with new experiences, and online games, against real, live opponents.  I'm more than willing to face him one-on-one.  Let's see...GTA: San Andreas, or Dam 00 Agent for the 10,000th time?  I'll pick GTA.

I'll be leaving now, because, as interesting as it has been to read a scant few of the discussions that I've seen here, the overall attitude here sucks, and brain cells seem to be few and far between.  Hope you're enjoying your speedruns while I'm playing PDZ, flying around in jetpacks, playing on 25-man teams, improving my online rankings, participating in official tournaments, hell, even enjoying the new solo missions -- just not beating them to death.

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« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2005, 01:57:00 pm »
You didn't read one @#%$ thing I wrote. Karl got killed by slapper because we're not perfect, no one is. And LTK is the best strategy there is, resembles real life more than anything. You don't take 6 bullets and still live. Anything other than LTK is so unrealistic. Glad you're leaving.

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« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2005, 02:00:00 pm »
Then go. Leave us fags in peace.

You can play all the new games and stuff that come out. You can waste money on all the new consoles and games that will only keep you occupied for a while before a new one is released. You can be just like the average gamer. Meanwhile, we'll be the hardcore type that people look up to. We'll be the group of gamers who are truly dedicated, who make the videos that leave others in awe.

Run along, average gamer.

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« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2005, 02:00:00 pm »
Machinist, you have some good points, but you fail to understand that most people here just don't have enough money to buy a X-Box360 and Perfect Dark Zero. Even if we did have it, it's silly to buy a console to play only ONE game.


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but I'm pretty sure you're going to be getting your asses kicked by people that play games like Halo 2, Counter-Strike, Unreal Tournament...


A lot of Eliters do play games like those you mentioned (cs, tfc, unreal, age of empires, halo, etc...), it's not like we have never played any of those. Some of us are good enough to be part of a top clan.

In conclusion, yeah, I suck at multi and I don't even know why I'm in this discussion, so I'll leave now.

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« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2005, 07:11:00 pm »
DarkMachinestChild, wtf do you not understand about the comment "THE CONTROLS WILL BE DIFFERENT"?

I suck at every other shooting game that's not for N64. It's not like 100% of my skill is going to transfer over to another system, christ.

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« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2005, 08:48:00 pm »
You won't leave, you will come back to see our replies

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No, because WE HAVEN'T @#%$ PLAYED PDZ SOLO yet.

Who cares how real and lifelike a game experience is. Games are not supposed to be real. If I want a real and lifelike experience, I'll go to the store.

You're expecting us to be good at a completely different game just because we were good at it's predecessor, even though the games so different from one another? That's like saying, "I rock at Tetris, I'll own you at Mario Kart." PD and PD0 are only similar in that they have similar characters and titles...

No really, you do suck at life. Finish it off, now.

Actually, I have vids of my multiplayer prowess, you just need to ask me for them
All you smart people out there that highlighted this, I actually don't

Prove you're good at speedrunning.

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« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2005, 11:53:00 pm »
I @#%$ing own at Halo.

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« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2005, 02:39:00 am »
speak for yourselves, i'm stoked about pdz; because i didn't bother to give a @#%$ until i started to see screenshots and hear concrete @#%$ about the game.  gosh i wet myself when i saw recent screenshots, heck i wet myself just now thinking about it.  i'm going to go change my pants.

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« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2005, 02:44:00 am »
Hello DMC.  I've played TSFP, TS2, and TS1.  I'm quite good at them.  That's going by solo play, of course.  Unfortunately, you've sort of overlooked the fact that some people much more prefer solo play and speedrunning over multi, sort of in the same way that you seem to prefer multi over solo.

We find it fun to speedrun and test the limits of the games we play.  You find it fun to play against other people live in a multi match.  They're both quite different from each other.  Coming to a site that heavily focuses on speedrunning and saying what we do is pointless is no way to get a positive reaction.  At all.  

As for TSFP and multi, I hate it.  I find the maps to be boring.  The weapons and what you can do with them are toned down from TS2, especially the explosive weapons.  There in not a good explosive weapon in TSFP, especially when you compare to the Rocket Launcher and Homing Launcher in TS2.  Explosive matches in TS2 are frantic and chaotic.  Not nearly as so in TSFP.

Multi matches are not as fast or as frantic as TS2, and TS2 was toned down from the speed of TS1.  EA's support for TSFP is sorely lacking, and cheaters populate the multi rankings unchecked.  The online multi rankings are based largely on kills, which is hardly an accurate way do such a thing.  It's all a mess as far as I'm concerned.

Solo challenges and arcade leagues are much easier to rank, and much more accurate when comparing players and doing rankings.  Jimmy got 54.6 on Challenge A, and Steve got 45.1 on the same Challenge.  Steve is better at Challenge A.  It's simple, easy, and accurate.

I can tell you with confidence and accuracy who the best solo TSFP player is right now(Fitzy), but can you tell me who the best TSFP multi player is with the same sort of accuracy?

The top players over at scopinfo.com enjoy testing the limits of the game.  It takes major skill to play a stage well.  Perhaps a different kind of skill from multi(although lots of stuff does transfer over), but impressive skill nonetheless.

My solo rank for each timesplitter game are as follows:

TS1 - 1st
TS2 - 2nd
TS3 - 3rd

I've just recently taken the 1st place spot on TS1, so I'm still finding my positions for all the games to be quite humorous.

I'm sure you know of it, but www.scopinfo.com for the TS2 and TSFP ranks.  The TS1 ranks can be found here.

If you haven't seen scopinfo, please do.  They put almost all of the records on xbox live to shame.

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« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2005, 08:49:00 am »
I can't believe you guys are wasting your time writing huge posts to prove to an absolute idiot that solo missions improve your skills and that we're good at multi. If you know it, just let that be enough and don't worry about what this fool says.

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« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2005, 08:17:00 pm »
Yeah, I agree.

On another note, it's funny how I always enjoy reading ST's posts. Another very nice post there. Be careful not to waste your 1000th though, you're getting dangerously close to it. ;)

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« Reply #43 on: August 16, 2005, 12:29:00 am »
wouter| xbox sux

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« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2005, 03:44:00 am »
what did I do? if you thought that was me sucking your ugly weener, well, you were wrong, must have been one of those other brazilians.
sexy, this

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« Reply #45 on: August 16, 2005, 09:44:00 am »
ok :)

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« Reply #46 on: August 16, 2005, 12:05:00 pm »
don't generalize brazilians, please
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« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2005, 12:17:00 pm »
I didn't notice anyone do that, so I wouldn't know who you're talking to.
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« Reply #48 on: August 16, 2005, 01:06:00 pm »
I can't count the amount of people who have claimed to be better than me, or "the best," at TSFP Multiplayer (local people) that I've had to beat the @#%$ out of to get to shut up, some took 5-6 games of complete slaughtering (20-0 wins, etc) before it got through to them that they're really not that good...some still don't understand and refuse to believe they're not that best...I'm definitely not the best at FPS, but it just bugs the @#%$ out of me that people walk around claiming to be the best, because most people like that really suck.
Sorry for the rant.
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