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ParagonX9

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« on: January 10, 2004, 03:39:00 pm »
Okay I have been brainstorming a bit here... And I just wondered, has anyone ever had both hostages in the firing range save themselves on PA?  It's rare enough either one of them lives (you have to bet on it if you kill the holo room hostage) but does anyone think they both can survive?  If they can, there is an obvious enough strat change where you could open both firing range and holo room doors down below before going up top... That would make objective 2 complete a lot earlier and hopefully make Carrington speaking a non-issue.

Anyway, this isn't really a new or anything even if it does work (it's not really new because it's obvious and a lot of other people have probably thought of it, and since it would probably involve way too much luck to be of use)... I was really just wondering out of my own curiousity.
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JugadorJ3

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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2004, 05:29:00 pm »
Good thinking. I'm a bit too sedated to throw in any other thoughts.
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nspd 2

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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2004, 07:36:00 pm »
I remember thinking up this strat a long time ago...it might not be the same, but it was something about making sure those 2 survived.  I never got around to testing it either...I think it would produce something below 1:50 if it worked.
It does happen (hostage survival), I'm pretty sure it happened on my 1:54 run...
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Lecmasta

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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2004, 08:28:00 pm »
Nice idea brought up, but I'm afraid nobody will put a lot of time into it...
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JugadorJ3

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2004, 09:10:00 pm »
It'll work for sure.

Before Bryan, I'd never seen someone go in and take out the guards in the hologram room. Everyone used to always open the firing range... and they would have to live in order to complete a run, as one would kill the hologram room hostage.... So yeah. This should get like 140 or so. Good work:)
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2004, 10:01:00 pm »
YE and I are on track for sub 140:)  Thanks Paz.
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Boss

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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2004, 10:39:00 pm »
:x
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ParagonX9

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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2004, 10:44:00 pm »
What? :(    I'm not gonna use this new strat wtf... It's not even a strategy, I was literally asking just out of curiousity.  And I don't see how it would save so much time, since Bryan only waited for a bit because of Carrington.  If he hadn't fired at the guards after the holo room and gotten stuck on the firing range door, he might've had to wait... 3? seconds before uploading the virus.

Good luck sub 1:40 ... lol?  We're still not even sure if it's possible (I'm assuming no one listens to nspd, I don't).  I think Bryan only killed the holo room guards for consistency's sake, since even counting on 1 hostage to save himself in the firing range requires a lot of luck.  With his way of doing things, every run should complete.  However, you can't kill the guards with the Devastator before going upstairs, so that doesn't help at all with completing objective 2 faster.
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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2004, 10:54:00 pm »
I just hope there isn't a better strat that doesn't require an insane amount of luck. :b   My strat does complete 156 or better with decent strafing as long as the guards don't call the lift while doing obj 4.  Carrington's line after obj 2 is kinda random though, for me it was.  It can delay 3 seconds sometimes.  I might know of a strat that could be faster thinking about it myself, but not sub 140.
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ParagonX9

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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2004, 11:12:00 pm »
I'll admit the strategy I thought had a chance of working last night... This is something I realized a long long LONG time ago on MBR.  It uses the langauge filter option.  Like, when entering Cass' office on MBR I realized that she wouldn't say "Get the hell out of my office" because hell is filtered out and the entire line removed.  However, that really never helped that level at all.

Then I realized it might actually work here, for CI PA... Carrington says "Damn it!  My office..." then later says "Get there first Jo and destroy the files!"  I thought for sure this would save time, but nope.  The game has it all timed out.  You don't hear the first line, but the timespan is still the same for his next line to be said :(    Just proof that speech skipping does nothing on this level at all.

...But!  I think there is chance for still another change in CI PA.  I'm gonna work on it and if I get it to work I'll tell people (I don't like to reveal ahead of time because I'll embarrass myself if wrong hehe).  Actually, I'm also positive it will, but I just want to pull it off smoothly first.  My strafe is terrible still on the beginning of CI so this might take awhile :)  

Anyway... Are there any other lines I might have forgotten about that involve swear words?  I don't think so... But somehow I forgot about testing this one for over two years :b
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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2004, 11:40:00 pm »
Emm...My strat was a little more, well, "primitive," (i.e.: One timesaver that just cuts a good 5 seconds portion off) and I don't know about sub 1:40...I'm thinking...5 seconds saved at most (ballparking it...), so like 1:48 at best (the WR is 1:53 right now, correct?  I'm too lazy to check..)
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ParagonX9

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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2004, 03:20:00 am »
You know most people just ignore you, and it seems for good reason... So why bother mentioning you have a strat if you don't explain it?  Or do you just randomly troll for fun on Saturday nights :\
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JugadorJ3

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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2004, 03:34:00 am »
Ryan and I were trying the strat. Well, Ryan did, I watched. We tested once to see if it worked and it did. Then we got 2 runs that were going good... but something vital didn't happen. Even if this vital thing NEVER happens, I can still 147 or so. I'm sure the vital thing will happen though:)

I'll release the strat when Ryan and I get a good time...
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ParagonX9

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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2004, 04:59:00 am »
Mmm, excellent then :)   I think I may be running into problems with mine though hehe... But if you're sure both hostages can live in the firing range by themselves, then I guess there are lots of new possibilities opening up for everyone to think about.
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2004, 01:52:00 pm »
"You know most people just ignore you, and it seems for good reason... So why bother mentioning you have a strat if you don't explain it? Or do you just randomly troll for fun on Saturday nights "

The reason I didn't explain the strat is because I didn't know it.  :\     The strat I knew from CI PA I found like 6 months ago...there's no chance in hell I would remember it...

...anyways, I did a little "brainstorming" (for like, 2 seconds), and I think I remember it...
Okay, it's the same as the one Bosshardt used for the WR.  Basically, when you get back to the start, open firing range, head up.  Use the Agent open-door trick (but you will be on the opposite side than you are from on agent), and then those 2 hostages will die (so the firing range sluts gotta live),  save these 2 and get devastator.  Do Objective 4 or whatever (destroy files), head down..you still have to go in Holo room, but you skipped the small portion of after the deve, go around and save those 2...I think it's around 5 seconds, just guessing.
If Bryan got 1:52 with the same basic strat, and you cut off that little distance of around 5 seconds, then surely 1:47 or so is possible.
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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2004, 02:22:00 pm »
You can't open door the other way like that NSPD.  The guards don't shoot the hostages in the other room with simply opening that door. :b
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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2004, 02:40:00 pm »
I never actually did get around to testing the strat...It was just an idea.

I'm pretty sure I have opened the door from that side though...but they don't shoot at each other?
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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2004, 02:49:00 pm »
What EXACTLY is it that makes the top people drop the devastator? Just asking, because I messed around with opening both doors at the bottom (got some hostage completions too) but I didn't get a devastator at all...
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ParagonX9

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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2004, 03:06:00 pm »
I don't think they care about the holo room hostage at all... Just the people in the firing range and the room next to them.  I think those 4 all have to be currently alive to receive it.  I'm a bit fuzzy in remembering the specifics though, so this might be wrong.
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Boss

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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2004, 11:14:00 pm »
You don't need the Dev, but then it would come down to how long the laser took to complete Obj 4.
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« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2004, 01:24:00 am »
I've tried that hundreds of times, you get raped as you are wasting 6 good seconds taking out Obj 4 with a laser. 2 guards if I recall correctly spawn and try to pwn your ass (but do not succeed IF you have Jonathan there beforehand!)*

* = To get Jon, escape in Escape with the hoverbike.
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MrFood1

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« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2004, 01:26:00 am »
You have to save all the hostages on the 2nd floor to get the devastator.
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JugadorJ3

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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2004, 04:06:00 am »
you sure about that?:\

Mattlock says:
i can do the CI PA Strat
Mattlock says:
congrats on that also
This window says:
Have you PR'd?
Mattlock says:
nope
Mattlock says:
but it's possible
Mattlock says:
i'm not sure if the 141 strat will work
Mattlock says:
but the 145 strat does

Quit your worrying:)
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MrFood1

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« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2004, 10:22:00 am »
That's what the Player's Guide says, Matt.
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JugadorJ3

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« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2004, 08:50:00 pm »
They're wrong.

Does anyone know what Time Bryan activated the computer for the rcp120 in his 152?
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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2004, 01:38:00 am »
I bet it was around 120.  I wasn't all that fast getting to the uplink with the wait and all.
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JugadorJ3

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« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2004, 03:09:00 am »
Mine as 120.7 with a gay end. So you probably had 123 about.
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« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2004, 03:53:00 am »
It would be wise to explain how I only got a 123 computer if I had Carrington speaking at 118/119 at the door to the firing range.  I thought it was a 117 door at first, but looking at my 153 TTs I had a 119 door.
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« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2004, 05:15:00 am »
I agree... that would be wise.
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JugadorJ3

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« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2004, 05:37:00 am »
Figure out your own TTs. I was guessing.
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