Shade's proven times should be put on the elite..

[renemesis]

You know, just to make it more accurate, etc.

Also, Matt Cook is a gay crybaby who likes to lick warts on his own penis.

[nspd 2]

Yea, not to mention some masking tape.

[..]

I agree with everything that Tyler said in his post.

[Djie]

Go ahead and make a page then go ahead and tell Youse to add that page to the roster.

I wont bother, being add partially isnt appealing to me.

[JugadorJ3]

It should be known that shade created another player with a different name and entered the elite with it.

As far as I know this means he can't be re-added.

If he is allowed in it means that players can now lie about their times, change their times to 0:01 and create several players and still remain in the elite. These have all happened lately but youse etc. do not seem to care about set rules.

This is Karl btw...

[bcks]

this can't be karl, he didn't say one bad work, and not one mention of greg lewis either.

[renemesis]

It should be known that nobody using the JugadorJ3 account has any say in anything.  

And for the record, NGamer was in on the whole Cetu thing, so it's not like Shade was trying to lie.

[JugadorJ3]

Very funny Tyler Faggert.

All this means is that ngamer should be banned as well.

Anyways, Tyler, if shade gets re-added I'll release the pictures of you and neo working as packers at the fudge factory.

-Karl

[Cetu-the-Patriot]

<3

[renemesis]

<3

[youseinthehouse]

no one using the name renemesis has any say in anything, btw.

[..]

How dare we let that proven player on the ranks!  No no no!  We only allow people with LESS than half their times proven.. sheesh kids, don't you know anything about PD!?!

[youseinthehouse]

or comeasur33

[..]

Yeah!  How dare people who want to see the records proven get their way!  Who needs any proof to be a legitamate site?  I mean, who needs proof to be a champion??? Obviously no one in PD.

I can't wait til Wouter comes and rapes you all in this game, since he actually takes pride in showing his skills and proving EVERY TIME HE GETS

[vitor]

What's the 33 for?

[Mallow]

33 stands for karl has a huge penis and you're a faggot

[Boss]

Yeah, Wouter will surely rape this game once he feels like it.

[smurx-god]

Shade should be allowed in the elite because he owns and stuff.
Oh yeah, and he has this little thing seemingly unknown to a lot of the people in the PD elite. I think it's called... proof, or something?

[ParagonX9]

I'm not sure what Shade did to get into NGamer's pants, but it apparently worked.  We have a person who 99% chance lied imo, yet is magically a moderator of this forum.  In either case, I do think that his video proof times should be put on the main records table, although the website that is used to do this should not be under his control.

Also, if ANY of his times are EVER put up on the main page without complete online video evidence available to all, I will be "in a bad mood".

Another thing to point out is how he has stated on his website he doesn't care anymore... So, let it be.

[Boss]

I don't think Shade wants to be added.  I've talked with him before about being readded.  He doesn't really care at all about being on the rankings.  He just likes to humiliate the elite by setting what would be untieds on the rankings.

[MrFood1]

 Bryan...or should I be laughing at Shade for that?

Oh well,  @ Bryan and Shade

[Djie]

Actually Bryan, I'm not trying to humiliate anyone by beating their times on a videogame. As for being added, it's not my decision.

And Paragon, I don't see how I'm in Jon's pants really. I'm not controlling the Elite either. Whats the deal, I can make vids, therefore I can validate people by making their vids if they send me a tape. And for Forum moderator, I just guess that the fact that I've been around and active since summer 2001 helped my candidature. I never asked for it but I'm just glad I am. Prolly the fact that I dont really have anything agaisnt anyone helped too, but anyway. I'm there now and that's it. The records I've put online stands, thats it. End of story.

[Boss]

Oh well, I just don't get why you would spend so much time on a game and not want to get back on the rankings no matter what it takes being that you are 2nd or 3rd on both rankings.  I give up.

[bcks]

its a crazy candian and austraila thing.  

[..]

Quote:Also, if ANY of his times are EVER put up on the main page without complete online video evidence available to all, I will be "in a bad mood".

So Paragon, do you feel the same way about YE?

[Pernicious-B]

I couldn't care less if Shade lied about some times two years ago.  I don't care if his "I confirm the glitch" topic was fake either.  Some of the elite's best times have been pulled off by him, and it seems stupid to let a bunch of times without proof stand when someone else who has video proof can't even get back in.

On the other hand, if Shade doesn't want to be on the rankings then I guess he's free to leave his times down.

[Ngamer]

The reason Shade is not on the rankings right now is because he's been asked for proof what seems like several hundred times over the past three years, yet always missed the deadlines.  Because of that, we came to the agreement that he would not be re-added until every single one of his WRs had been proven.  Over the past few months he's been great, getting videos online for much of his best stuff.  Unfortunately, he's also been setting a whole bunch of new records in the process, and so he's still got a few more (I believe it's 4 now) to prove.

Once those videos go online, he will be fully re-instated.  And the Elite will be a much better place for it.  (Not to mention we'll be halfway to the 1:37 mark already.)

[ParagonX9]

I don't think it's a big deal to not be on the rankings and still play... Only like 10 people even care about the rankings as it is.  If people aren't playing for themselves and their own enjoyment of the game at this point, those people should reevaluate some things.

If anything, the records table should be as accurate as possible just for the sake of random visitors.

As for YE, I don't really care about the situation since I fully believe him.  Besides, I think he is providing some more videos soon anyway..?  However, I do really like the idea of a rankings setup with only fully validated times with online video evidence.  To me, it makes everything seem much more official and impressive.

[Wouter Jansen]

Full videoproof? alright, rules:

-Whole/Enough intro included (for strat sakes and whatnot)
-Whole run included
-no lags and gayness in the videos
-original sound, they're part of the run, unless you played with like sound fx off or whatever those things are called I guess.. but no other sounds should be edited in.
-should be captured as they are. no fastforwarding for gay levelparts, like the cutscene in G5.
-(?) Videos must be in full colour and all.. bad luck for pal/ntsc players with the wrong system they can't capture correctly (?) (I wouldn't suggest this, but it could be a rule, if you want to be strict)
-Full endscreens showing.. 007 mode videos must show settings etc.
-Videos must run smoothly, no editing allowed.. if you want to assign a players name to it, in WMV you can give it "tags" or whatever, one being Artist etc.

Any more..?

This would mean, hardly ANY videos right now are FULL videoproof. I think all of Graham's videos are, not sure, but many videos don't have sound (and I DON'T believe you played without sound at all), many videos have stuff edited in, or music. Many videos miss some part etc.

[renemesis]

When I play GE now, I have it hooked up through my stereo and the sound does not record into the vcr.

[SamSim]

My take on this would be:

-at least the last frame of the intro included to show a) where you quit the cinema and b) the whole of the actual run
-Whole run included
-no lags, skipping, editing or fastforwarding

-colour and sound are debatable. I'm not sure what kind of cheats could be masked by playing in b/w instead of colour, but certainly turning off the sound opens up to playing in slow-mo among other things. It'd be stupid to strike out so many videos which don't have the original soundtrack though, so I'll let lack of sound stand.

there is NO excuse for putting lame rock on your audio instead of the original soundtrack though. If you have the ability to add the original soundtrack, put in the original soundtrack. If not, don't waste everybody's bandwidth by adding your own. Leave it soundless.

[Quiet Bol]

I love the vids with the lame rock. They're always twice as entertaining.

Btw, I sent my first tape to Zeebo and he never made any vids, so I guess I have some lame records that can never go online now. I certainly won't bother to do them again so uhh...Zeebo pwned me.

[..]

when i get out of school, i'm gonna make webcam vids of really shitty times so i can be on the proven ranks.  I'll be sure to include some great rock for you Sam

[Wouter Jansen]

A big reason why I don't like other than original sound:
If I want to listen to some certain music, I download the music file, not some ge/pd video and hope it contains the track I want to listen to.

[JugadorJ3]

My pd vids have always had lame rock soundtracks to them, and by god they will continue to have lame rock soundtracks to them.

I can't have the original sound because my capture card only has one av input for the video.

If you don't like it, I won't make any vids at all.

-Karl

[nspd 2]

My sound cord is seperate from the video cord, and when I capture, I usually just capture video.  If I feel like spinning the whole computer around, @#%$ up all the cords, and also spinning the VCR around, so that the cord reaches from the VCR to the other thing, I can get sound...it's too much of a hassle anyways, I'd rather just add music or leave it blank anyways.

In either case, today is Wednesday.

[Matthijsdadutchman]

I don't see what is wrong with adding other music if people seem to enjoy it more than the rather dull and boring level music.

I was one of the first, if not the first, to add Dutch Technomusic to my vids, and people enjoyed that a lot. So, why not in that case?

Randy's old fashioned music > all.

-Matthisj

[Narigutita]

i dont see why we cant put nice songs on the videos... they are nice
if i have my videos online, i'll send the mp3 to shade put it on em

[Wouter Jansen]

you guys dumb in reading? If I want to hear music, I'd go download mp3s, not videos. If I wanted music clips, they sure as hell wouldn't look like GE/PD runs.

I mean, if you like your music so much, why don't you find some way to have your levels play THAT music while you play the level, so when you tape it, it HAS that music being part of the run. What you say? You'd get bored of the music after playing alot? You can't add the music on the levels so you play with that music instead of the original music? Why change it in your videos then, chumps. Is this some kind of "proof that you have techno music" or something? We don't ask proof for that, we simply want proof for the times.
Sound can be fatal often, like in Aztec and plenty more levels.
Meh whatever, the chance of you guys actually using original sound is almost as big as the percentage of proof you give for your PRs..

[KnucklesEX-VL]

If you don't like the music just turn the sound off
Or that's too hard for you?

[nspd 2]

I add music for certain reasons: a) I'd obviously rather listen to a good song when watching the run than the retarded gay shitcrap "music" that is already on the game, that I've heard at least 265,000 times every day. b) If you add the right music to the right run, it makes the run seem better for some reason.  Or sometimes the music seems to go along with what you are doing, and it's cool looking.  (like if you are running and your character is sort of "bouncing" up and down to the beat as you run, it's like wow, talk about a coincedence.)

Also, like the guy before me said, if you don't want to hear the music, turn your sound off.
I definitely don't want to hear the gay music from the game that I hear every time I play anyways (and I usually have that turned off), so if you send me one of your vids that has the original music on it, you can guarantee I have the sound muted anyways.

[rshepherd1000]

if you play with music off and fx on, why dont just mix the game audio track with your music so you get both?

[Ngamer]

Ah, good thinking, Shep.  That's what I've always wanted to do with videos, but haven't got too many opportunities.  I did get to try it out with Bosshardt's War PA video, and I loved the way it turned out (Get File my Bosshardt folder to see for yourself)...  But Wouter got upset at me about it, so I had to stop with the creativity.

I think Wouter, and some others, have the mindset of videos existing solely for the sake of proof.  Which is of course correct, very important, etc.  BUT, for a majority of the people who see them, these videos exist for entertainment purposes.  It's all about the wow factor, how you can't believe people can actually do that.  And with that being the case, cool background music is going to be a major factor in deciding whose videos they're going to want to watch over and over.

Speaking of which, people still IM me from time to time to tell me how much they love watching Biz's AF1 SA 1:22 (also available in Get File).  So, yeah, in summary, if you're just going to slap some random mp3 in there, stick with the original sound.  But if you can't do sound, or have a neat idea for some music, go for it.

[Narigutita]

i dont care what wouter says, i'll just put my song there

[uTrev]

For me, the best way to create enjoyable yet still proof-worth vids is to just make two vid files. Whenever I PR, I said the 2 MB wmv file to wouter intact with the original sound, but for myself I usually edit in some music and maybe delay the start of the video run to go along with the music, thus creating a 10 MB mpeg file that I just keep to myself most of the time. <= Run-on sentence. The only reason I don't send wouter the vids with music is because they are bigger file size--not because I think they are any less legitimate when it comes to proof.

[Jimbo]

There's something about wanting to fully prove an untied record or so. In my opinion putting original sound in a WR is a must, but if you got some spankin' time that you've wanted forever and want to show off, put some neat music in there! I personally have a Beavis and Butthead / Timmy mp3 in my Train Agent 1:12 because I was so happy with it.

I agree with Wouter though about a full proven GE vid, gotta have original sound. I use my microphone and blast the TV to record sound, because I personally like it better also.

[SamSim]

There is of course the issue that allowing people to download PD vids with a customised audio track basically amounts to sharing copyrighted material.

I don't see why folks add music "because I hate listening to the normal music when I watch it". YOU are not the person whom the video is being made for. The proof is proof for other people, and in that respect if you have access to the original sound, you are obligated to use it. Audio cues are very important in this game.

[nspd 2]

It still doesn't change the fact that someone like myself has to go through a big hassle just to get sound on the video.  I'd rather not send the tape to a proof moderator, when I have my own capture card; yet as I said, adding sound takes too much effort for each little video.
I'll stick to vids with no sound or added music.

[bcks]

Quote:YOU are not the person whom the video is being made for.

Wrong, i don't play ge to impress others, i do it for myself, if you want to add music to your vid, add music. Its your vid.

[Jimbo]

Yeah really, I make the vids for myself so I can see my PRs forever, I could care less what anyone else thinks (EXCEPT Wouter)