Possible new CI PA, SA and Inves A, SA strats???

[DarkestMatt]

I'll start with the CI strats. I don't think they work, it's just that I'm not sure what happens when you do certain things on the level. I'll start with PA.

Start, open the hologram room, enter the last lift. Save all 4 hostages, get the devastator. Destroy the safe and get in the other lift. Blow up the glass as you approach and hop down. Activate the guns and uplink the ship when you "pass it" / get to it. Go up to the firing range and complete the hostage objective. Get the rcp120, leave, jump where the glass was and go to the exit.

I'm not sure what uplinking early will make the game do with the speech at the end. For SA it would be the same IF the ship would be there. On PA the ship comes after you destroy the safe, but I don't know about SA.

Very unsure about that strat... need some tests done.

Investigation - A, SA. Many people who have played PA would know you can get fast bots - up to 127. On PA you do 2 things different to SA before you notice that the bot is fast - Get the K7 and operate the camspy from far away. Ryan and I tested going into the K7 area on Agent and it did bugger all, so I've decided that I think it's the operation of the camspy from afar that does it. This is what you would do on SA:

Go like normal until the camspy first part. Simply deploy it and leave it. Do the first experiment then while you stand at the computer, move the camspy up to the isotope and take the photo. Go do the experiment furthest away. Stand at the computers and switch to camspy, move it around for all the time you can spare (and still catch a 12 . Get the last experiment and go to lasers.

The logic in this is good. Perhaps operation of the camspy in the K7 area would be good.

For agent, just deploy the camspy, go "somewhere" and play with the camspy for all your free time, so that you can still catch a 46 bot.

No idea if any of these work, but the logic for inves is good, and the rewards for CI would be great if that works. Might as well give them a shot.

[Boss]

Those idea are interesting.

[Your Eliteness]

Quote:Start, open the hologram room, enter the last lift. Save all 4 hostages, get the devastator. Destroy the safe and get in the other lift. Blow up the glass as you approach and hop down. Activate the guns and uplink the ship when you "pass it" / get to it. Go up to the firing range and complete the hostage objective. Get the rcp120, leave, jump where the glass was and go to the exit.

The ship isn't there until you do some objective, not sure which. Most likely not the safe objective though. And some of the hostage rooms are locked until the autoguns are completed. Not sure which ones are locked either.

Quote:Ryan and I tested going into the K7 area on Agent and it did bugger all

We did? Oh well...

[Wyst3r]

If you do the camspy from far away then you wont be able to do the laser trick.

[DarkestMatt]

The idea is to gain more than you lose, which, if it works, you would certainly do. On PA I got 127 bots. If this was done on SA, even without the camspy laser trick, you could get 209 - 210.

[Wouter Jansen]

What did you use? emulator, PAL n64 or NTSC n64?

Emulator could get better bots I heard that before,
but if it's not an emulator, then it's nice.
If it's PAL (known to be slower), NTSC might get even lower bots. I heard the bot for 2:38 was 1:36 (I think), PA already doesn't use camspy trick, so that could get a nice 2:29.

[SXR]

Matt stole the camspy idea from Paragon in the CPO forum.

EDIT: Tried the new CI PA strat, works, but carrington gets killed, don't know if he would live if Jon was there. Also, not sure if it's faster than the old new strat.

[DarkestMatt]

I read paragon's but I think that's wrong... this is my own.

Did you go fast on that CI PA? I thought he died after 1 minute and I calculate the guns would be done by then. If you want to just test the strat, do the guns, then the holoroom, upstairs hostages, "fake" do the guns then uplink as usual.

Wouter, fast bots were gotten on PAL and NTSC. Not emu.

[ParagonX9]

I don't remember what I posted in cpo 2 years ago or whatever... But both of these ideas have crossed my mind before.  I never found/tested anything solid in investigation though.  In CI PA you can definitely save all hostages (excluding firing range) and destroy evidence AND save Carrington in time.  However, doesn't help at all... And there is NO way to get inside firing range early.  Explosions won't go through walls, cloaking and luring guards won't open it... Nothing.

[Wouter Jansen]

I fail to understand why you don't have some new invest times then? surely if you'd get 1 or a few more of those fast bots on SA, it'd be cake to get an untied.

[ParagonX9]

I just rather know why it is working rather than look silly in a video   You can ask Randy or Greg, I definitely talked to them about it at Illinois 2002 where I got my 2:15 Inves SA... I told them that once while playing Inves PA I had such an insanely fast bot it would've resulted in a 2:11 or something on Inves SA.  By the time I had returned from the first scientific experiment room, the bot met me at the hallway and seemed to be zooming along amidst some choppy fps and a ton of guards running around.

[Wyst3r]

Exactly how is this being performed? I left the camspy outside the door to hologram then stayed outside the door to the lasers and did obj 1. It ended up with a 59 bot. Tried many diffrent ways but best bot was a 54.

[DarkestMatt]

I have no idea how to make it work. But anyone will agree that it *must* work on SA, otherwise these 127 bots wouldn't have occured. You'll have to work it out yourself i think.