Author Topic: Maxed Times... (Read 1682 times)

JugadorJ3 · « **on:** January 11, 2003, 04:23:00 am »

Edited Post to put in new opinions... We have many new strats now since over a year ago. So let's see how I go this time...

defection 6 33 121
investigation 128 207 234
Extraction 49 118 131
Villa 108 117 125 (unless you want to be gay

)
Chicago 15 27 27
G5 37 44 55
Infiltration 111 132 144
Rescue 125 220 245
Escape 224 313 313
Air Base 115 142 200
Air Force 1 53 120 127
Crash Site 120 129 149
Pelagic 48 142 200
Deep Sea 227 259 313
Institute 52 128 140
Attack Ship 207 234 306
Skedar 104 121 128
Mr Blonde 118 121 123 (no idea:-p)
Maian 138 151 159
War 25 45 51
Duel 3 6 9

Damn i took a lot off. total = 1:32:31 (unless i calculated wrong, which is very possible.)

Original post below:

seems that time again, now that karl has committed rape on the elite and things have settled down a bit.

defection 6 33 121
investigation 129 211 234
Extraction 50 126 135
Villa 109 118 115
Chicago 15 27 28
G5 41 48 58
Infiltration 112 134 148
Rescue 125 222 247
Escape 225 325 327
Air Base 115 144 211
Air Force 1 54 121 127
Crash Site 120 130 151
Pelagic 51 147 208
Deep Sea 229 306 320
Institute 53 129 152
Attack Ship 205 235 315
Skedar 110 127 134
Mr Blonde 121 123 128
Maian 138 159 208
War 26 46 52
Duel 3 6 9

some more stuff to argue about, and possibly take minds off POY... what do you think at this stage?

Quiet Bol · « **Reply #1 on:** January 11, 2003, 04:43:00 am »

I don't have the skill to remark on many of them, but WAR SA would not be maxed at :46. I could see at least a high :44 even without the trick from Karl's vid. :25 on A should be possible too because I only used half as many boosts as I could have. I just didn't want to overcomplicate things. Your PA estimate probably isn't low enough either but I have no evidence to support that yet.

:33 on Defection SA? Woo, that'd be godly.

JugadorJ3 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 11, 2003, 05:09:00 am »

Yeah... there are levels i don't know about. you're probably right though now i think of it. I remember karl's 49 war SA vid wasn't exactly amazing.

KillerSim7 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 11, 2003, 05:37:00 am »

1:15 Villa PA? I am assuming that is a typo?

renemesis · « **Reply #4 on:** January 11, 2003, 05:44:00 am »

I already told you on MSN that I disagree with certain times you posted. But, I'm not going to say any more about that, no matter how wrong or right either of us may be. After all, maxed times topics are meant for fun. Rock on!

Not-so-Perfect-Dark · « **Reply #5 on:** January 11, 2003, 01:13:00 pm »

i dont know about those AS times...or the AF1 PA. yea, i think the Villa pa meant to be 1:35, not 1:15.
and i dont know why you guys think 0:25 War A is possible. i can guarantee it is not possible just doing a normal run with a bunch of boosts. i gave myself 15 (would be 16, one didn't register) and i did good strafing , etc, but you would need 23.9 shot at the least to get 25. i think mine was in the mind 24s. (around 24.4- 24.5) if you can manage like 23 boosts in or so, maybe it's possible...good luck doing a perfect run, getting a gun, and boosting yourself that many times, while making the door too, AND managing a good shot. the day someone gets 25, without any new tricks, just the old way, is the day i quit.

Dark-Phoenix-BR · « **Reply #6 on:** January 11, 2003, 04:08:00 pm »

Here's my list:

Defection - 0:06 / 0:34 / 1:19
Investigation - 1:28 / 2:12 / 2:35
Extraction - 0:50 / 1:27 / 1:34
Villa - 1:09 / 1:19 / 1:34
Chicago - 0:15 / 0:27 / 0:27
G5 Building - 0:41 / 0:48 / 0:58
Infiltration - 1:11 / 1:35 / 1:45
Rescue - 1:28 / 2:21 / 2:51
Escape - 2:26 / 3:28 / 3:32
Air Base - 1:15 / 1:44 / 2:09
Air Force One - 0:54 / 1:21 / 1:27
Crash Site - 1:19 / 1:29 / 1:53
Pelagic II - 0:51 / 1:51 / 2:10
Deep Sea (PAL) - 2:29 / 3:05 / 3:19
Deep Sea (NTSC) - 3:06 / 4:18 / 3:19
Carrington Institute - 0:52 / 1:29 / 1:51
Attack Ship - 2:08 / 2:35 / 3:11
Skedar Ruins - 1:10 / 1:26 / 1:33
Mr. Blonde's Revenge - 1:20 / 1:24 / 1:28
Maian SOS - 1:38 / 1:59 / 2:07
War! - 0:25 / 0:44 / 0:53
The Duel - 0:03 / 0:06 / 0:09

Bizichyld · « **Reply #7 on:** January 11, 2003, 05:40:00 pm »

I think most of those are theoretically possible, but in all probability will never be acheived.

I obviously am not an expert at WAR, but :25 on agent seems amazing. If that's just taking into account an extra 5 or even 10 boosts, I don't think it would be possible because the boosts save such little time. Then again, I know nothing about this level.

Hmm, Deep Sea for A and SA for NTSC may be able to go a little lower, but that doesn't really matter.

renemesis · « **Reply #8 on:** January 11, 2003, 05:47:00 pm »

I think a lot of the times can go LOWER. People do not understand the term maxed, obviously.

Dark-Phoenix-BR · « **Reply #9 on:** January 11, 2003, 06:22:00 pm »

Okay...

Defection 0:05 / 0:26 / 0:55
Investigation 1:23 / 2:00 / 2:21
Extraction 0:46 / 1:04 / 1:12
Villa 0:57 / 1:12 / 1:26
...

J/k, obviously. :lol

Not-so-Perfect-Dark · « **Reply #10 on:** January 11, 2003, 08:33:00 pm »

actually, the defetion A 5 is possible, and for villa PA, there is a way to throw the laptop, so you dont have to walk out the door and kill the last one. this saves a few seconds...maybe not 11, but still, at least 1:33 would be possible this way, although it is hard to pull off. you would have to do everything perfect, maybe 1:31. 125 really isnt possible though. defection A: 0:05: dont turn. strafe off, doing glitch backwards. you wont lose time for turning. it would be bitchy to pull off, but i think at least 5.90 is possible.

KillerSim7 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 11, 2003, 11:20:00 pm »

I'd say MBR could be faster. If you can push her while speedstrafing it can be way faster. I've done parts like that, but it is very hard and makes the luck shoot up really high. Of course this is "maxed" so yeah. Maybe this could be slightly exaggerated but...

MBR 1:15 1:18 1:20

Quiet Bol · « **Reply #12 on:** January 11, 2003, 11:49:00 pm »

How are you gonna say WAR A :25 can't be done, and then go and say Defection A :05 can be accomplished? I'd say there are 3 maxed times. Duel A and SA, and Defection A.

SlayerRocket · « **Reply #13 on:** January 12, 2003, 12:37:00 am »

nah defection has been done in slomo without turning, and only like a 6.2 was got on a guaranteed like 0.01 error run. But i know for a fact that 25 war is possible, i was getting TT's for the door that would equal about 26.15, and i could probably cram in another like 10 boosts. People underestimate the boosts,they save more than you would think.

deletedprofile.u · « **Reply #14 on:** January 12, 2003, 03:05:00 am »

OMG, my villa PA was shi.t. OMG how the fu.ck can you say that 1:35 is the max! Even 1:34 is fuc.king sh.it as your mum. I got stuck for at least 5 seconds, and that's just cause I got stuck. Even using the same strat and not getting stuck and doing everything really well and not even getting stuck I could get under 1:30. With no new strats at all to what is in my 1:36 run and even without getting stuck at all I could get like 1:25.

Then you have strats that work if done perfectly and without getting stuck can save you time. For instance.

Throwing the laptop dancer perfectly on the roof so you don't have to kill the dude can save like 5 seconds. Then you can kill the hacker that is by himself on the strafe in one head shot is like 3 seconds faster.

Plus the other hackers. You can kill them with 2 head shots like instantly which is at least 3 seconds faster than what I did in my vid.

Plus you can get like an agent style basement which is who knows how much faster, at least 5 seconds.

Then you can do other stuff faster, like fuc.king everything. I mean I'm fu.cking good.

Let me think, there was some other stuff you could do. You could like get boosted in places saving a @#%$ load of time, at least 0.03.

Like for the first sniper you could not stop and zoom, but kill him on the strafe backwards. Then so many other places can be so much better. Like with those 2 guards before the guard that wasn't killed by the laptop dancer you should just strafe past and only slap once. Instead of slapping them both and sh.it.

That max is at least 1:15, probably WAY lower than that on a 'MAXED' run.

OMG how fu.cking pathetic can you all fuc.king be? You fuc.king losers, I hate you so fuc.king much.

It's like you have no fuc.king clue what maxed is you just post a time that is fuc.king one fuc.king second better than the fuc.king WR and say it's fuc.king maxed without even fuc.king fuc.king thinking.

Villa: 1:08 1:15 1:10 (fuc.king least for pa, who fuc.king knows how fuc.king low it can fuc.king go fuc.king)

-Karl

Not-so-Perfect-Dark · « **Reply #15 on:** January 12, 2003, 07:47:00 am »

"I got stuck for at least 5 seconds, and that's just cause I got stuck"

lol that sounds funny.
you exaggerate way too much on some of that. WAY too much. maybe 1:30 is max, or even 1:29. but the day you get anything under that without any major strat changes, just doing faster, then i quit. you say its possible, so how could the #1 player be losing over 20 seconds on a run? im sure if you really were good, you could get at least 1:25...go for it.

Quiet Bol · « **Reply #16 on:** January 12, 2003, 08:41:00 am »

Actually Karl's right. Villa PA is something we'll never know the max of. Nobody tries half of the crazy crap you'd have to do to get a "maxed" run. It would be total insanity.

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #17 on:** January 12, 2003, 10:02:00 am »

I might go for it if I go play pd once and am better and such.
I'm insane enough to go for it

renemesis · « **Reply #18 on:** January 12, 2003, 04:19:00 pm »

NSPD: He may be exagerating, but did you see his vid? He did get stuck for quite the large amount of time.

Djie · « **Reply #19 on:** January 12, 2003, 05:50:00 pm »

I'll put ??? where I dont have enough knowledge to be sure.

defection 5 ?? ??
investigation 129 211 ??
Extraction 49 ??(cmp-strat) ???
Villa ??? ?? ?? (karl'S prolly right that it'll go very low...but we'll never see Villa PA be faster than SA)
Chicago 15 27 27
G5 41 48 58
Infiltration 111 134 148
Rescue 128 222 2:40 (up with door-trick that will never work)
Escape 225 325 325
Air Base 115 140 205
Air Force 1 54 120 127
Crash Site ?? ?? ??
Pelagic 51 147 205
Deep Sea ?? ?? ??
Institute 53 129 150
Attack Ship ?? ?? ??
Skedar ?? ?? ??
Mr Blonde 119 121 125
Maian 136 158 158
War ?? ?? ??
Duel 3 6 9

Yeah... most of them will never happen, it's just "theorically" to achieve them...not humanly.

Edit: Renem, I just copy/pasted Matt post and I changed some stuff, some times out there arent still right, you're right CIA isnt maxed.

renemesis · « **Reply #20 on:** January 12, 2003, 06:01:00 pm »

I still fail to see how you can consider CIA maxed, but not Def A $:\$

vitor · « **Reply #21 on:** January 12, 2003, 06:19:00 pm »

here's my 'times that may be achieved anytime soon' list. they'r not maxed for sure.

Defection - 0:06 / 0:37 / 1:23
Invest - 1:29 / 2:13 / 2:38
Extraction - 0:50 / 1:29 / 1:37
Villa - 1:10 / 1:20 / 1:34
G5 - 0:41 / 0:48 / 0:59
Infiltration - 1:12 / 1:39 / 1:52
Rescue - 1:30 / 2:23 / 3:02
Escape - 2:27 / 3:30 / 3:32
Air Base - 1:16 / 1:45 / 2:09
Air Force One - 0:55 / 1:22 / 1:28
Crash Site - 1:21 / 1:30 / 1:56
Pelagic - 0:53 / 1:52 / 2:11
Deep Sea (NTSC) - 3:05 / 4:14 / 3:25
Institute - 0:53 / 1:30 / 1:53
Attack Ship - 2:10 / 2:36 / 3:25
Skedar - 1:11 / 1:28 / 1:35
MBR - 1:23 / 1:27 / 1:30
Maian SOS - 1:39 / 1:59 / 2:06
WAR! - 0:26 / 0:47 / 0:54
Duel - 0:03 / 0:06 / 0:09

about maxed.. i can only say that the maxed times for Escape are around 2:25 / 3:26 / 3:26, and Air Force PA 1:27. the rest of the levels i dont wanna estipulate a max. btw, Def A, Chicago A and Duel A/SA/PA are maxed, imo.

Not-so-Perfect-Dark · « **Reply #22 on:** January 12, 2003, 09:38:00 pm »

wow, someone finally posted some believable maxed times...

renemesis · « **Reply #23 on:** January 13, 2003, 01:40:00 am »

He said they're not maxed. Are you the stupidest f.ucking kid on the planet?

Quiet Bol · « **Reply #24 on:** January 13, 2003, 02:22:00 am »

Not only are they not maxed, some of them aren't "the lowest that will be achieved anytime soon" either.

Bizichyld · « **Reply #25 on:** January 13, 2003, 12:07:00 pm »

@#%$ you Greg K! Can't you see into the future?!?

jk

What's up with all the french subject lines? Shade should walk around with an interperator or something.

Not-so-Perfect-Dark · « **Reply #26 on:** January 13, 2003, 02:38:00 pm »

most of those are maxed. one of you retards beat one, and then i quit.
thats 3 ways to get me to quit:
sub 1:30 villa PA, no new strat changes
beating one of those maxed times
or
war A 25, no new strat changes.

3 ways to make me quit...

Dark-Phoenix-BR · « **Reply #27 on:** January 13, 2003, 03:01:00 pm »

@ Karl

I didn't watch your Villa PA vid. I'll watch it later.

Wabs · « **Reply #28 on:** January 13, 2003, 03:06:00 pm »

I won't try to post maxed times for every level
but I just want to say what I think maxed on P2 PA ( the only level I really know well ) could be 2:05 using the actual strat ( that's what I found when I added my best times on every part of the level :rolleyes

)
just look at my pathetic 2:20 vid and you'll see how it can go down :lol

SamSim · « **Reply #29 on:** January 13, 2003, 05:40:00 pm »

@ "laptop dancer"

0:14 would definitely be maxed if it ever happened

renemesis · « **Reply #30 on:** January 13, 2003, 08:14:00 pm »

NSPD, YOU ARE GAY. YOU DO NOT KNOW THE MEANING OF MAXED. MAXED IS ABSOLUTE PERFECTION. F.UCK YOU.

JugadorJ3 · « **Reply #31 on:** January 14, 2003, 09:20:00 pm »

Yeah i think i discovered something.

I believe that on Infiltration SA PAL has a one second advantage to ntsc. Don't hold me to my words but that's how it seems.

The elevator door. You can get a "56 shut" ... no better. That should get 137 on PAL.

If you get the same on NTSC you would get 135 - 134 right? WRONG. You have to cut the cinema early enough for the technician to still be there for you to get his card... but that means you have to wait AGES for the lift. I did a theoretical where i just went straight to the lift and waited and i got 142! Although i know that the lift can come earlier and my end was gay. It was 141 worthy. So it comes 3 seconds faster and you get 138.

That's why PAL has an advantaged MAX over NTSC. Eat it cos i have both. Going for record later

Not-so-Perfect-Dark · « **Reply #32 on:** January 15, 2003, 10:19:00 pm »

renem, even with absolute perfection, most of the cant be improved by much, most maybe 1-2 seconds. except the longer ones, like infiltration, perfection would be at least 1:40. and plus, there is no perfection, what about boosts? they are random in most cases, so you cant say what perfection is, what if you can get 40.03 on a level with complete perfection, but if you randomly got 3 boosts, then that means 39 would be possible. why worry about ABSOLUTE PERFECTION if we are never getting it...do like greg does, times that might be had soon.

Quiet Bol · « **Reply #33 on:** January 16, 2003, 02:02:00 am »

Maxed times are absolute perfection. If it takes a million runs to get 3 boosts, then that is what you must do to get a maxed run.

Boosts are not entirely random. You cannot argue that a player could receive 1,000 boosts on a level. The amount of boosts one can receive is limited by both your health and the amount of time it takes to run through the level, assuming that an enemy was firing at you and boosting you continually, at the fastest rate possible. (Note: It would have to be a very short level for the latter to be the factor that decides it.)

Maxed times do not have to be realistically achievable. You're looking for another topic altogether.

renemesis · « **Reply #34 on:** January 16, 2003, 03:25:00 am »

NSPD, you are gay. 90% of the levels can be cut down quite nicely.

Not-so-Perfect-Dark · « **Reply #35 on:** January 16, 2003, 11:23:00 pm »

well then, assuming boosts, and complete perfection, we wouldnt have these times you guys are saying, the more realistic times would be: Chicago A: 0:14, sa: 25, PA: 25
pelagic ii A: 0:48, SA: 1:40 PA: 1:55, villa A: 1:04, SA: 1:10, PA: 1:22, etc...you guys are combining "maxed times" with gregs "soon to be achieved, hopefully" times.
infil A: 1:09, SA: 1:29, SA: 1:29
ohh, and
investigation A: 1:24 SA: 2:10, PA: 1:35
crash site A: 1:12 SA: 1:17, PA: 1:48
those times are more realistic "maxed times"

JugadorJ3 · « **Reply #36 on:** January 17, 2003, 12:29:00 am »

that was the worst paragraph ever nspd. they are clearly less realistic that anything said prior to.

iggy · « **Reply #37 on:** January 17, 2003, 01:26:00 am »

who is going to boost six seconds worth in investigation a? 'Absolute perfection' on inves is probably like a 39.6 ending or slightly less. which would lead to probably 1:29 with a 49.4 bot.

iggy · « **Reply #38 on:** February 09, 2003, 03:52:00 pm »

Well, then I gues I won't say anything more on War.

NSPD could've/should've had a 1:30 CI SA. He gets in the last room at 1:30 and then runs around for 2 seconds, and then the level finally completes.

ExpertGamer64 · « **Reply #39 on:** February 09, 2003, 04:32:00 pm »

CI ends in the same amount of time every time. I can get into the last room on Agent at :52, does that mean I should've gotten :52? No, it just means that I got there faster than the ship blew up and I had to wait for it. The faster you get to the ship, the faster your time will be. It doesn't matter what time you go into the last room.

iggy · « **Reply #40 on:** February 09, 2003, 05:06:00 pm »

I always thought Carrington had to begin his last line for the level to end, like in PA, where the level doesn't end until he begins it, even if the ship is loooong gone.

yoshifan · « **Reply #41 on:** February 09, 2003, 05:18:00 pm »

Yeah, in my 1:31 run the level didn't end until Carrington began his last line, and I got to the last room a bit before that part.

vitor · « **Reply #42 on:** February 10, 2003, 02:38:00 pm »

it's weird at how so many ppl dont know that CI thing.. at least 6 brazilian dudes asked that to me in the past weeks.. man, wtf? it's obvious

JugadorJ3 · « **Reply #43 on:** February 11, 2003, 03:45:00 am »

The harder thing to know is the PA part. ie not going past the "place" before carrington has said his line. btw can that be speech skipped to any effect?

vitor · « **Reply #44 on:** February 11, 2003, 01:36:00 pm »

dont think so

DarkEmpire · « **Reply #45 on:** February 13, 2003, 04:22:00 pm »

oh. am I allowed to ask, what the tricks are in CI, for the last parts?

Dark-Phoenix-BR · « **Reply #46 on:** January 30, 2004, 10:37:00 am »

Defection: 0:05 / 0:33 / 1:19
Investigation: 1:28 / 2:08 / 2:35
Extraction: 0:49 / 1:23 / 1:34
Villa: 1:07 / 1:16 / 1:27
Chicago: 0:15 / 0:27 / 0:27
G5: 0:37 / 0:44 / 0:55
Infiltration: 1:11 / 1:34 / 1:45
Rescue: 1:25 / 2:19 / 2:46
Escape: 2:23 / 3:19 / 3:19
Air Base: 1:15 / 1:43 / 2:02
Air Force One: 0:53 / 1:19 / 1:27
Crash Site: 1:18 / 1:28 / 1:48
Pelagic II: 0:49 / 1:44 / 2:04
Deep Sea (PAL): 2:27 / 2:59 / 3:13
Deep Sea (NTSC): 2:59 / 4:08 / 3:13
Defense: 0:52 / 1:28 / 1:43
Attack Ship: 2:09 / 2:35 / 3:10
Ruins: 1:08 / 1:26 / 1:32
MBR: 1:20 / 1:23 / 1:25
Maian SOS: 1:38 (1:45 NTSC) / 1:50 / 2:01
War!: 0:25 / 0:44 / 0:51
The Duel: 0:03 / 0:06 / 0:08