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« on: November 22, 2003, 11:33:00 pm »
Ridiculous...  It's just a topic guys, no one even looks to see who created it.

Ok, anyways, this is the topic.  Next person who makes a new one gets their account suspended for a while.
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2003, 11:37:00 pm »
Yeah, uh whatever. But just so you know, I only made it because some people told me to. The least you could have done is deleted the spammed one and left mine which we were actually discussing for a few posts. That's just careless moderation on your part.

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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2003, 11:40:00 pm »
I think the gayest thing is that you deleted dark0's, who obviously deserves it, then made your own. Gay.

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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2003, 11:43:00 pm »
Shut the @#%$ up... everyone.  Talk about WRs, thats why the topic is here.

So, lets see.. which way did everyone turn for Duel 3?  I turned to the left, because I'm hardcore.

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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2003, 11:45:00 pm »
Jon has a Duel 3 of mine that I turn left, .13 pause and all. :lol

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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2003, 11:48:00 pm »
I can't remember which way i turned, i used c-right.. so which ever way that would swing me.. possibly to the right, i doubt i'm hardcore enuf to go to the left.

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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2003, 12:19:00 am »
Up. Oh oops, nevermind, I turned left.:)

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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2003, 01:26:00 am »
Turned right all the way.

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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2003, 01:56:00 am »
Jimbo you p.ussy.

I turned to the left AND I used 1.1.  Didn't even use cruise either.  I'm so hardcore that if there was a graph that showed relative hardcoreness, then I'd be way, way up there and stuff.

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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2003, 02:08:00 am »
Yeah.. I used 1.1 too.  I used cruise for my uhh.. Invest A time that sucks badly..

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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2003, 03:00:00 am »
Well, the only problem is that Lecmasta posted a really interesting  change in the strat for AF1 Agent. It got deleted with the deletion of the topic. I'll just let him repost it when he'll see this post.

Jon, shame on you ;)  you could have copy pasted the only worth post in the topic at least ;) .

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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2003, 05:12:00 am »
Oh, whoops, I remember that post now.  Yeah, should have copied that.  Let me see if I can remember it.


Hello, I am Lecmasta, the Canadian!  A strat that might get you :53 for AF0 A would be to use the boosts later than we have been.  Run down the stairs, throw on the mine, and go through the next room with the two guards all without boosts, then hit it right before you exit that room.  Kill Blondes as normal, and you'll end up with a bunch more time to push the Pres.  I think this helps, but you have to get lucky because the Pres dies alot more.  I've gotten a :55 as my best time, but that was with alot of messups.  One thing I've been experimenting with is disarming that K7 guard right before you boost, but it's hard to do.


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« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2003, 10:19:00 am »
I turned left on Jonathan and Trent.

Pwned.

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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2003, 10:45:00 am »
Like it's hard or something. I know something that's hard.
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« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2003, 06:42:00 pm »
Okay, it looks like the AF1 Agent strat posted my Lecmasta works well; I haven't played PD in ages, and I turn the game on, in 3 tries I get a 57.40.

There are many possibilities; they start with the president.  You can either go up the stairs and take the normal way or go right, the shorter way (I think).  Now, when you are in here, you can do 2 things that work decent for the president;
1) The first would be to strafe him over towards the normal way, but make sure he's next to the wall, so that when you are ready to leave, you can get all the way by the stairs.  This means you will get to the room after the mine part and the 2 K7 guards won't be there, so you can just run to about halfway or three fourths of that room before activating your boosts and then pulling out laptop.
2)  Strafe him over towards that door again, but instead of going out that door, go out the opposite door (if you go up the stairs and go right, it's that door).  Get out and wait until the cutscene...the guards sometimes won't be there.  This strat works wonders with the president as far as warping goes; sometimes you will do the next part fast and then when you are coming back up from the last kill in the basement, the door will be shut be he will already be past it!  If you activated your boosts in the middle of the K7 guard room and he made it past the door before you got upstairs, you can easily push him to the end with the boost not wearing out.  It will finish right as the president stops in the pod.  This is what I did on my recent 57.

Also, here's another idea; if the 2 K7 guards are in the room and you want to activate the boosts late, disarm the guard and then activate the boosts as far as when you are past the first door; you can use the K7 to kill the blondies since it pulls out much faster than the Laptop, giving you extra time before the boosts.

I'll post up some more soon, got some serious DDRing to do.

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« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2003, 07:22:00 pm »
God, I made it and it was going fine.  What's your problem, you can't handle a little bit of fun?  I enjoyed that, it added some spice to the boards which it much needed.  To much conformity is boring.  So, all in all, ngamer, you are party-pooper.  A killjoy.  A wet blanket.

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« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2003, 07:22:00 pm »
Can we get some video proof of that 1:29 Invest A? I for one am sceptical.

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« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2003, 07:49:00 pm »
Indeed his strat seems to work, about consistency I don't believe in it. It's still very random for the pres' speed and such.

Something weird tho, the pres can be shot WHEREEVER he is in the level even if there's no guard around. Lec and myself came to that conclusion  when both of our pres got shot in the basement when no guards were around. I would have most likely completed another 54 and Lec would have done 54 easily with the TT he had there.

Nice work.

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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2003, 07:53:00 pm »
Dear old Sam, not up to date again are we? Most people have it by now. I made the vid the night I got it.:)

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« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2003, 08:13:00 pm »
Who turned what on me?

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« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2003, 09:14:00 pm »
There is some sort of glitch in the basement; try putting on the Marquis of Elmsbury Rules cheat (whatever it's called, the one that does enemies have no weapons).
Kill everyone like normal, but don't throw a laptop.  When you push him down, a guy comes out, and sometimes he won't even swing or anything, but the president gets shot somehow anyways, it's really retarded; I think that's the purpose of throwing the laptop, so it kills the cheater.

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« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2003, 09:18:00 pm »
My 0:03 Duel was probably going to be 0:05, but I used lookdown to save a couple seconds.

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« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2003, 10:17:00 pm »
PD seems so much more complicated than GE, so I never bothered to play it.  Although I did get 0:03 Duel.  Took me a brisk 15 minutes.  And I think I almost tried to PR on that 2nd level, I don't know what it's called.  The Dr. Caroll one.  There seems to be way more objectives in PD.  I also really get annoyed with the sounds of the guns in PD, that one silenced one is really annoying, the one the guards use on the first few levels.  Also, getting shot isn't as cool, you don't pant like a dog like you do in GE.

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« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2003, 08:05:00 am »
Infiltration SA 1:38
This was... okay, I guess. For once I didn't get raped at the entrance to the minefield. First lift closed automatically, started closing at about 0:59. Got to the 2nd lift at early 1:23, but Bryan said his lift closed at 1:24. So I hit B and paused. The lift had already started to close before I hit B. Unpaused, hit B again. Lift totally shut at 1:24. I guess Bryan's 1:24 TT was when it was totally shut. Nice ending, no guard stuckage. 1:38.2 end. Not taped.

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« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2003, 05:15:00 pm »
That puts you in first for SA time. Nice job. But tape damn it!

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« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2003, 05:42:00 pm »
He had like 30 min between his runs.  I insisted that he try to find some of those gaps and tape in them or near a crap time. :\   He sent some tapes out though.

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« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2003, 08:16:00 pm »
I sent them all out. You see, I started out with one tape. I sent that to Matt with my AS PA 3:33 and Invest SA 2:15 on it (with scrolling proof as well). While he had it, I had to tape more stuff. So I used more tapes. Now I've sent those six tapes to him, and you guys are saying I should get more tapes. I'll have like 15 at this rate. It's not worth it.

Although maybe I should start a "Send Tapes to YE" appeal or something. If you want me to get my latest stuff on tape, send me money! :b

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« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2003, 08:34:00 pm »
That's the best idea: People can't say you're lying because you're too poor.

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« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2003, 09:35:00 pm »
Dear God, PD has gotta be a million times more complicated that GE.  I just watched Jugador Jota Tres's 3:23 and it's like a billion times more complicated than like GE's most complex level, which is like...let's say 1:09 Bunker 00.  Maybe 1:07 Bunker 2 00.

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« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2003, 10:31:00 pm »
:lol  @ Dan's comment.  It's totally true about PD being more complicated.  Anyways, a few people already know about this, but I've got a PD stats table started for the most part.  Take a look for yourself.  I still got to add a lot more names to it, mainly with PAL-advantage stuff only. :p

www.geocities.com/bbosshardt007/PDstats.html

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« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2003, 04:39:00 am »
I've already started playing for 1:35 infil SA. Messing with that level was a bad move, Ryan:)  You'll only get hurt:evil

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« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2003, 05:43:00 am »
That's why I didn't break the record. I could get 1:37 at least if I wanted to, but I have no knowledge of the level, or a desire to make you lose points (because I won't gain any) :p

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« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2003, 05:52:00 am »
37 shield
55 lift (techie was too far away:( )
121.3 lift
137.40

Happy for now.

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« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2003, 07:17:00 am »
Great Job Matt, even i know, not to mess with your time.:lol  Take it lower, wouterizze it. ;)

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« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2003, 09:00:00 am »
I'll use ntsc for a god-like time. 1:37 will do until someone ties it / beats it.

Grab the vid off YE or BCKS! It pwns, especially the part where it's fu.cked up! But yeah, VOICE commentry! Get it!

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« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2003, 12:25:00 pm »
Great job on the 1:35, matt!  You sure showed YE who's boss!

Oh, wait a minute...:rolleyes

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« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2003, 09:01:00 pm »
I'm the boss... btch

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« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2003, 01:50:00 am »
You have to wonder what it is, exactly, that fuels Tyler's inane need to point out any inconsistency or fault in a person's actions. Yeah I see that I didn't get 1:35... but I don't have time to play enough to get it. So what? How didn't I show him who is boss anyway? I Got my record back in less than an hour, using PAL which is disadvantaged.

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« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2003, 02:30:00 am »
How much harder is PD than GE?

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« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2003, 03:05:00 am »
Way harder.  I got pretty much all my GE times the first time I ever played the levels.

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« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2003, 03:27:00 am »
IMO PD is easier, competition wise. It isn't as tough as GE. It's much easier to get WRs on. The levels are harder to do though, the framerate is worse, the strafing is more complicated. Anyone has a shot at been a top PDer though. (IMO).

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« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2003, 03:34:00 am »
How come hardly any lookdown is used in PD?  It would so obviously cut like 8:00 from the total time.

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« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2003, 03:59:00 am »
The first 20 seconds of infil i'm looking at a wall, so no need there. Next 5 i'm tossing a bug and walking backwards. Next 5 i'm using 100% lookdown. Next 5 i'm going over a minefield with no guys. Hazardous and useless. Lookdown near the techie could make me miss him. Near the explosives it's very calm. Not much point using lookdown from the top of the ladder to the lift - might miss the lift press. Next 10 seconds i'm in the lift. From exit to next lift i use lookdown, mostly. I've done the end so few times that i'm not confident with looking down.

That's why for Infil:)

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« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2003, 06:24:00 am »
Infiltration Perfect Agent Strat (I am the stratmaster)

I'll write this for PAL.

Start after "watch out for those guards"

punch first guard, kill 2nd, go down bottom. Throw grenade at first, throw comms by crouching, look up at antenna as you walk around to next robot. Destroy that with magsec, firing final 2 bullets whilst walking away (leave the way i do in my 152). Run past guards near cage. Easier than you'd think... just need to be me or something. Get R/l, shield. Disarm guard if he is near after shield, switch to recket straight away. Fire rocket asap, punch techie who will be right near button. Continue as normal. 107 lift press, 132 - 133 lift shut, 148 - 149 finish.

This will work. I had a run just now when i pressed at 109... but because i was slow doing the explosives, i reopened the lift. SO... if i was fast i would have shut the lift at 108. How nice is that?

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« Reply #44 on: November 27, 2003, 12:42:00 am »
No lookdown in PD: The game and the game timer, unlike GE, run on exactly the same system together. Looking down in PD simply makes the timer go more smoothly. In GE, the timer is completely separate from the game itself, anytime you lag, the timer inside is still going at "60 fps", whilst the PD timer reads what the damn timer says on the bottom. Rounding up is due to super laggy levels on high decimals. Fool.

PD is hard. GE is super easy.

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« Reply #45 on: November 27, 2003, 12:56:00 am »
You're saying that using lookdown wouldn't help you get faster times? Not sure if you are or not, but if so then you're dead wrong. It's a useful thing in PD.

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« Reply #46 on: November 27, 2003, 02:57:00 am »
Prove it.

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« Reply #47 on: November 27, 2003, 03:04:00 am »
Jimbo you fool. Lookdown helps frame rate. If you're running around a corner and the game runs at 10fps to load 15 guys around the corner, it's going to be hard to line up the next corner.

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« Reply #48 on: November 27, 2003, 03:18:00 am »
Lookdown helps in PD....

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« Reply #49 on: November 27, 2003, 08:00:00 pm »
Game dansafag from the timer?  But it's not in PD?  And you're basing this on what, exactly?
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