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Your Eliteness · « **Reply #100 on:** December 22, 2003, 12:39:00 pm »

To all the people who threaten the Escape records (IE. Lec and Matt):

After I get my tapes back I'm going to rape this level to hell. I'm talking 2:25 / 3:25 (at least) / 3:29

Good day.

vitor · « **Reply #101 on:** December 22, 2003, 06:05:00 pm »

I've failed a 2:25 once whee

JugadorJ3 · « **Reply #102 on:** December 23, 2003, 06:00:00 am »

My 3:28 would be 3:26 on ntsc. Plus i got a 150 Jon! I can get 144s now!!! I hope you enjoy 3:25

vitor · « **Reply #103 on:** December 23, 2003, 02:16:00 pm »

ffs, 1:44 Jon, that's insane.

btw, what's the difference of PAL/NTSC on escape?

nspd 2 · « **Reply #104 on:** December 23, 2003, 02:25:00 pm »

1:44 Jon's are pretty good; I'll admit my best is around 1:45. If I remember correctly, my 3:28 run had a 1:48 Jon...I suck at the ending, I'm sure a 1:48 Jon could get around 3:25. Not to mention a 1:44 Jon could get around 3:21. And PA...I got a 1:50 Jon Before, which could probably get around 3:30. I'm sure faster is easily possible...

The difference between PAL/NTSC is some speed difference (ie NTSC is faster.) I can't say this from experience, but this is what Matt has said.

vitor · « **Reply #105 on:** December 23, 2003, 08:37:00 pm »

AF1 SA 1:22:

- taped
- 12.6 button (best = 12.2)
- 52.0 cutscene (best today = 51.61)
- pres was kinda fast, but I didn't push him much
- did the end like Shade
- 1:22.60

Your Eliteness · « **Reply #106 on:** December 23, 2003, 09:30:00 pm »

Deep Sea Agent 2:32
56 Elvis
1st canister was spot on, 2nd one took a second or so to auto-target.
I fire as I come up to the door... it opens just in time.
.80 end.

OMFG yes...

EDIT: Typo

Your Eliteness · « **Reply #107 on:** December 26, 2003, 09:08:00 am »

Maian Agent 1:39
19.7 or so door
Medium-high 35 door
47 hole
High 54 lift shut
1:08 top of ramp
Medium-high 1:18 lift shut

Woohoo... 3 points gained.

Djie · « **Reply #108 on:** January 02, 2004, 01:52:00 am »

As discussed a little before Lec's innovation for Af1 A seems to be fun. Anyway who wants to see it completed with a 55. Here's the link

shadejf.free.fr/Lecmasta%...-%2055.wmv

bcks · « **Reply #109 on:** January 02, 2004, 02:17:00 am »

CBLSTRAT?

How is this different/faster then the other strat?
Besides using your boosts later.

Djie · « **Reply #110 on:** January 02, 2004, 02:23:00 am »

well since the boosts last till the very end of the level you can push him better, therefore gain a lot of time.

ParagonX9 · « **Reply #111 on:** January 02, 2004, 06:20:00 am »

I completed a :56 with that strategy too now. My opinion after playing for a little over an hour is that it's just as fast as the common strategy... I could be wrong though.

The pres gets past the guards fast about 15-20% of the time so it's not horribly random. Still, the advantage is being able to finish the level completely in boost mode, yet I think that is counteracted by the movements required while throwing the timed mine.

Where do you really push the pres an additional amount at the end though is my question... YE in his :55 seemed to push the pres as much as possible before falling down the last stairs to open the door. Then he proceeded to speed strafe the pres in the basement for a moment before heading towards the escape pod door. Sure you can do this more precisely perhaps with the other strat, but I'm not sure it saves a second. Where you lose time now is opening the 2 doors and in between throwing the mine, which is impossible to do as smoothly in normal speed mode.

So it's probably a matter of preference. Lec got stuck for a bit and still managed :55 (but I estimate a high decimal) and YE got a medium :55 with a slow cinema start... Not to mention Shade claims a :54 with the typical strat as well. So anyway, try it for yourself to prove/disprove my findings. Both involve luck with the president, just maybe if you're bad at pushing the pres you could try this technique. Enjoy.

vitor · « **Reply #112 on:** January 02, 2004, 05:27:00 pm »

Ok I watched Lec's 55 with CBL strat and something just popped up on my mind today. Then I ate some crackers while drinking coke and talked to Shade.

gre gk 0000: what if you throw the laptop on the door before POD, so it kills both guards (under the stairs and inside POD room)?
Shade JF 666: takes too much time to throw laptop imo
gre gk 0000: do you have to enter the room so the pres will go there or not?
Shade JF 666: yes
gre gk 0000: just enter or must go to somewhere?
Shade JF 666: I just enter
Shade JF 666: Lec went quite far
gre gk 0000: I thought this:
gre gk 0000: kill 2 guards after blondes, then start putting laptop sentry.. go downstairs open door, enter and leave fast and throw the laptop on the door

If you do that, *theorically* the laptop will kill both guards down there.

Shade said he'd ratter throw it on the floor, but whatever, works the same. He said he'll try it today, but someone else could try it too, since I can't play right now.

Things that could make it not work: 1- not enough ammo for laptop (that won't happen if you use CBL strat IMO), 2- not enough time for killing both guards down there.

Maybe that's just stupid and non-sense, but yeah, anything for time saving is valid.

renemesis · « **Reply #113 on:** January 02, 2004, 05:31:00 pm »

I love eating coke.

vitor · « **Reply #114 on:** January 02, 2004, 05:50:00 pm »

What? I didn't get your post.

bcks · « **Reply #115 on:** January 08, 2004, 11:26:00 pm »

Nice untied Shade.

bcks · « **Reply #116 on:** January 09, 2004, 04:36:00 am »

Great job Ryan.

Now go work on the new pa strat.

JugadorJ3 · « **Reply #117 on:** January 09, 2004, 04:37:00 am »

Maian SA 1:57 (YE)

7 door
17 door
19 door
28 door
39 door (was open)
54 door
1:06 hole
1:13 lift shut
1:27 top of ramp
1:37 lift closed
Mid 1:52 button
Mid 1:57 end
Taped

Thanks to Matt who made a pwning strat. Your mum. Pwned.

-Ryan

JugadorJ3 · « **Reply #118 on:** January 09, 2004, 05:09:00 am »

This is Matt.

It's uncanny how good I am at making strats. I can get low 54 doors without the "39" door opened. To put this in perspective... 56 can get 158.

I was typing the above and it hit me. Rather than delete the above i'll share this with you:

There is no new strat. All we do is run and shoot guys. It just seems like a new strat because of how fast we can do the strat. Odd.

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #119 on:** January 09, 2004, 07:38:00 am »

OMFG this is incredibly funny...

Matt blocked me on YE's AIM account because he couldn't tell me the strat properly, it was all wrong.
They are going out of their way to disarm the first 2 guys.. meaning.. the one we always disarm, plus the one behind that door, at the table with the psychosis gun, and they still get 1:57. 1:57 sucks though, with their "speed" they like to brag about.

JugadorJ3 · « **Reply #120 on:** January 09, 2004, 07:41:00 am »

what's wrong with that?

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #121 on:** January 09, 2004, 07:46:00 am »

wrong is if you tell me the strat is the same when you obviously do it different.

JugadorJ3 · « **Reply #122 on:** January 09, 2004, 07:51:00 am »

Wouter. It's not my fault you couldn't understand. Ryan was sitting right next to me and we were saying... "What is he on about?". Obviously we don't disarm the guard near the pscyhosis gun. Damn.

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #123 on:** January 09, 2004, 08:03:00 am »

then don't say stuff like "disarm first 2 guys". write better strats or don't write them. they have to be clear, you know. you didn't say "disarm the first 2 guards IN YOUR PATH USING THE FASTEST PATH" cuz then it would leave the psychosis guy out, since he's way out of the fastest path.

JugadorJ3 · « **Reply #124 on:** January 09, 2004, 08:19:00 am »

JugadorJ3 · « **Reply #125 on:** January 09, 2004, 04:48:00 pm »

Hot damn!

I'm running down the first pillared corridor in maian SA and i get stuck on a pillar for 2 seconds or 3 and get shot up until i'm half into my red. Then i continue on the run, get a 51 door, high 111 lift THEN... The damn last lift shuts at 133. 133! That is crazy fast! I started no later than Ryan did for 157. It's whack I tells ya

vitor · « **Reply #126 on:** January 09, 2004, 05:01:00 pm »

get 1:50 now

JugadorJ3 · « **Reply #127 on:** January 09, 2004, 07:02:00 pm »

Ryan here.

49 door at end of corridor (54 = 1:57 or something gay).
1:03 hole
Missed a 1:07/1:08 lift shut

I can't wait to get like 1:50, which I will. Taping everything, btw.

nspd 2 · « **Reply #128 on:** January 09, 2004, 09:00:00 pm »

So, is this PAL only? I want to know what's different...basically on SA, you just do everything like normal...what's so much faster? I'm confused.

JugadorJ3 · « **Reply #129 on:** January 09, 2004, 10:47:00 pm »

Yargh....

Just screwed up a Escape SA 324

Music started playing about 0.2 after the 2nd console hit went into action.

It took less than half an hour.. so be prepared...

Ryan is trying now but he's no good

Boss · « **Reply #130 on:** January 10, 2004, 12:17:00 am »

I'm pretty sure they're not using PAL for 150 speeds. 49 doors are quite insane though. :eek

JugadorJ3 · « **Reply #131 on:** January 10, 2004, 02:35:00 am »

Maian SA 1:56 - Ryan

52 door

1:11/1:12 lift
High 1:35 lift shut
Somehow lost a tiny bit of time in here and got a low 1:56.
Taped, will improve.

-Ryan

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #132 on:** January 10, 2004, 05:31:00 am »

54 = 1:57
49 = 1:52

so you're saying you certainly will get 1:50? with a 49 door or what? I suppose with bad maths you would get 1:50

JugadorJ3 · « **Reply #133 on:** January 10, 2004, 06:29:00 am »

Wouter, 52 door was a very low 1:56. Should have been 1:55.

VegaDyk · « **Reply #134 on:** January 10, 2004, 08:16:00 am »

54 - 1:57
53 - 1:56
52 - 1:55
51 - 1:54
50 - 1:53
49 - 1:52

JugadorJ3 · « **Reply #135 on:** January 10, 2004, 08:37:00 am »

So that's how being one second faster affects your finish time. Thanks for clearing that up. Faster here = faster there, I get it

nspd 2 · « **Reply #136 on:** January 10, 2004, 01:56:00 pm »

Actually, what I think he was getting at is, since 54 door = 157, then going down one second at the door will cause you to finish one second faster, which will result in 49 door = 152...He was showing the "math."
In other words, he's saying if you can only get a 0:49 door (and I'm not saying that's the best you can get or anything), that a 1:50 would be impossible...unless you're losing 2 seconds or something (this being true, 54 door = 155, 53 door = 154, 52 door = 153, etc.) , or you can get a 47 door.

JugadorJ3 · « **Reply #137 on:** January 10, 2004, 05:36:00 pm »

I've gotten a 48 door. That'd get a 151 if things went perfectly. 151 is "like 150". Which Ryan can't wait to get. Hm.

JugadorJ3 · « **Reply #138 on:** January 13, 2004, 03:15:00 am »

okay...

high 31 arch

45 lift

112 lift

120 comp

134 uplink

151.33 finish

Where did i lose time? Only after the uplink. Other than that it was one of my best runs ever. Which is common, but hey

Boss · « **Reply #139 on:** January 13, 2004, 03:38:00 am »

That lift TT is terrible (1st). It must be because of that new strat (probably saving hostages in one of the rooms). Even if it was the far lift, I would think you'd be getting a 43/44 lift despite opening both doors down there. Your start might be slow then. The only TT I could go by is the obj 1 fade TT. You should be getting high 25s there.

uTrev · « **Reply #140 on:** January 14, 2004, 07:16:00 pm »

Nice job on breaking 1:38:00 guys.

ParagonX9 · « **Reply #141 on:** January 14, 2004, 08:00:00 pm »

So... just for the record, did the firing hostages both save themselves? I did bring up a thread about the entire idea, so posting a little more than estimated target times would be appreciated.

JugadorJ3 · « **Reply #142 on:** January 14, 2004, 09:34:00 pm »

Paragon, both firing range dudes must have saved themselves.

Now... I think I lost a lot of time due to the system being PAL. I'm 99% positive that when playing ntsc carrinton started speaking about the safe just after the hostages complete, but for PAL, not until the 2nd combat boost died off near where i started. So NTSC could destroy the glass, PAL can't.

I have a new strat that will most certainly get NTSC sub 140 if carrington speaks like I think he does. Stupid hoe.

renemesis · « **Reply #143 on:** January 14, 2004, 09:39:00 pm »

Someone take out the trash! It's starting to over flow with Matt's "will get" times!

SXR · « **Reply #144 on:** January 14, 2004, 09:43:00 pm »

Would you just stop acting like retards and post your damn strats and/or vids?

Stop being scared that other people are gonna rape your times if you reveal the strats

JugadorJ3 · « **Reply #145 on:** January 14, 2004, 09:53:00 pm »

I feel that seeing as we invented the strats, we should have the right to shock people with our vids, rather than have a strat copier get a time, make a vid the same day and shock people that way. Fair? I can make vids on saturday night.

nspd 2 · « **Reply #146 on:** January 14, 2004, 10:50:00 pm »

He's totally right; he/they found the strats, he/they can do whatever they want. It's not like he's going to get banned for hiding a strat (or at least keeping it safely in his possession until something good comes up), and bitching about it won't get us anywhere.
If he wants to tell us the strat, he will.

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ParagonX9 · « **Reply #147 on:** January 15, 2004, 12:49:00 am »

No, what's happening here is just a waste of time for the other people involved. So far I see no evidence Jugador has come up with anything creative for this level, yet he won't give basic details of his run... Not like it will take more than 5 minutes to figure out, but people being mysterious over boring stuff like this is, well, boring.

Are you just doing the typical A/SA route but opening the firing range door first? Or are you wimping out and opening holo door later because guards rape you at the elevator... Don't make it seem like a "NEW HOLY SH1T" strat to make an obvious change like that.

Boss · « **Reply #148 on:** January 15, 2004, 02:34:00 am »

DMan said something I wanted to say a few days ago. I released the Aztec glass door opening strat when I had @#%$ times. I could have untied everything if I was any good at the game back then. I didn't know it was a huge discovery, but usually I do release new strats/timesavers as I find them. I haven't found anything on PD however (probably never will either) with so much lack of knowledge of the game. Well at least you give away that you're getting the Dev with the NTSC breaking glass hint.

JugadorJ3 · « **Reply #149 on:** January 15, 2004, 03:49:00 am »

It's not "HOLY @#%$!". It's... "ahh so that's how you get it work. I'm heaps dumb and tried the same thing over and over again and couldn't get the strat work..."

Maian SA is "HOLY @#%$" though.

Thanks for that info about Aztec too.

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