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« on: February 06, 2004, 10:40:00 pm »
There have been quite a few calls for one in the last month, and so over the past week Youse, Shade, and myself have gotten together and come up with what we feel to be a fair and balanced complete Proof Call for the entire league.  This should hopefully clear up all of the records/top times issues which have been bugging some members for a while now.

Everyone being "called" has been split into 4 groups.  They are Near Calls, Far Calls, Suggestions, and Brazilians.  So, let's get things started with our friends from (way) south of the border.


The Brazilian Call

As you've seen by now, the whole country is actively working on creating one compilation tape, which will then be sent off to Shade.  Because of the nature of the situation, the Brazilans have until April 5th, 2004 for that tape to arrive, before any action will be taken against them.  And now, here are a list of the times they should attempt to prove, with highest priority going to everything that's bolded.

Greg K

0 :06 Defection A
1 :31 Extraction SA
1:40 Extraction PA

1:17 Air Base A
0 :55 AF1 A
1 :22 AF1 SA
1 :22 Crash Site A
1 :52 P2 SA
2 :15 P2  PA

3 :09 Deep Sea A
0 :53 CI A
1 :30 CI SA
1 :30 Ruins SA
1 :23 MBR A

Kack

0:06 Defection A
2:15 Investigation SA
0:30 Chicago PA
0:44 G5 A
1:14 Infiltration A
3:29 Escape SA
3:37 Escape PA
1:56 CI PA
1:32 Ruins SA
1:44 Ruins PA
1:25 MBR A
1:30 MBR SA

2:18 SOS PA
0:49 War SA
0:58 War PA

Easton

1:30 Investigation A
2:53 Investigation PA
2:31 Escape A

1:58 P2 SA

Mitrhil

0:06 Defection A
0:16 Chicago A
3:11 Deep Sea A

Narigutita

0:52 Extraction A
1:11 Villa A

1:36 Extraction SA
3 :11 Deep Sea A

Napa

0 :06 Defection A
1 :13 Villa A
0:53 CI A
1:56 CI PA


Chuck L.

0:06 Defection A


Ghus Dark

0:06 Defection A



The Near Calls

That should do it for that country, and now, on to the Near Calls.  Here we are focusing on World Records (or very close to WRs) which need attention right away.  Everyone mentioned here will have one month, until March 7th, 2004, before any action (generally the removal of the offending WR) will be taken against them.

Your Eliteness
(is working on what sounds like a very promising proof tape right now.  while he's at it, he should be sure to include some proof for these levels, bolded being most important)

0 :06 Defection A
1 :29 Investigation A
2 :38 Investigation PA

1 :41 Extraction PA
1 :23 Villa SA
0 :28 Chicago SA
1 :38 Infiltration SA
1 :16 Air Base A
1 :46 Air Base SA
2 :09 Air Base PA
0 :55 Af1 A
1 :22 Af1 SA
1 :29 AF1 PA
1 :21 Crash Site A
1 :33 Crash Site SA
1 :56 Crash Site PA
2 :32 Deep Sea A
3 :24 Deep Sea PA
0:53 CI A
1:30 CI SA
1:48 CI PA
1 :12 Ruins A
1 :29 Ruins SA
1 :25 MBR SA
1 :39 SOS A
1 :54 SOS SA
0 :47 WAR SA


Pernicious P
(needs proof for great Infil PA time; some Invest stuff would be nice as well)

2:14 Investigation SA
1:52 Infiltration PA

Assasim

0:06 Defection A

Oh Jimmity

0:06 Defection A

Lanky
(could have sworn this was proven, but can't find vid?)

1:30 Invest A

Bornkilla
(was there any proof for this way back?)

1:30 Invest A


The Far Calls

Now on to the third leg of the journey.  These are the more strange situations, generally featuring long-time members who still have a few times which we would like to see videos for.  No hard and fast deadline will be set here initially, as we will need to get in contact with the players.  Nevertheless, if there is no cooperation, action will be taken against the following times.

Sucram
(may be backed back to proven times here)

0 :37 Defection SA
1 :23 Defection PA


Dark Avenger

2:45 Inves PA
1:41 Ext PA

1:01 G5 PA
1:55 Infil PA
1:18 Air Base A PAL
0:53 P2 A
1:55 P2 SA
2:17 P2 PA
3:25 Deep Sea PA


GoldenVinze

0:06 Defection A
0:40 Defection SA
3:37 Attack Ship PA
0:09 Duel PA

Dark Master

 0:06 Def A
1:13 Villa A
2:30 Escape A
1:22 Crash Site A
1:58 Crash Site PA
2:15 Attack Ship A
2:43 Attack Ship SA

3:37 Attack Ship PA

Carnski

0:06 Defection A
2:45 Investigation PA
1:56 P2 SA
2:18 P2 PA
0 :09 Duel PA



The Suggestions

And now, the most relaxed part of the call.  No one here will be given any kind of strict deadline or threatened with removal; we are just pointing out some times of theirs which we feel it would be very helpful for the Elite as a whole to have some proof of.  Also, we are asking everyone mentioned to point out what times posted here they have provided proof for the in the past, even if the videos never made it online.  AND, if a Mod still has those tapes, it would be nice if they would take the time to either make videos of these runs, or send the tape to someone who would be able to.

Karl Jobst

0 :06 Defection A
0:39 Defection SA
1 :30 Investigation A
0 :29 Chicago PA
1:12 Infiltration A
1:28 Rescue A
2:22 Rescue SA
2 :59 Rescue PA
1 :16 Air Base A

1 :29 Af1 PA
1 :21 Crash Site A
1 :33 Crash Site SA
0 :53 P2 A
0 :53 CI A
1 :29 Ruins SA
1 :21 Crash Site A
1 :33 Crash Site SA
0 :53 P2 A
0 :53 CI A
1 :29 Ruins SA


Bryan Bosshardt
(hm... hope none of these are on the tapes in my living room... *is embarrassed*)

0 :51 Ext A
1:47 Air Base SA
1:34 Crash Site SA
2:47 Attack Ship SA

Disco
(Paragon might have tapes with these...)

0:06 Defection A
1:30 Investigation A
0:28 Chicago SA
2:24 Rescue SA
2:13Air Base PA
1:32 Crash Site SA
0 :53 CI A
1 :12 Ruins A
0 :56 War PA

Dman

0 :06 Defection A
1 :30 Investigation A
0:51 Extraction A
0:28 Chicago SA
2:27 Escape A
1:20 Crash Site A
0:53 P2 A
0:26 War A


Expert
(this guy just rubs us the wrong way)

1:30 Investigation A
0:54 War PA

Jugador

0:06 Defection A

Lec
(his friend with capture card must be a real bum)

0 :06 Defection A
2:27 Escape A
1:53 CI PA
1:22 MBR A
0:09 Duel PA

ChodhE
(on tape at Zeebo's?)

0:06 Defection A

Keefer
(on latest tape?)

0:06 Defection A
0:09 Duel PA

Zeebo
(just putting him here cause he's a jerk)

1:54 CI PA

DarkLight
(were these comeback times taped?)

0:06 Defection A
1:23 AF1 SA
1:59 P2 SA
0:09 Duel PA

Slayer
(how many of these were on last tape?)

0:06 Defection A
0:38 Defection SA
1:26 Defection PA
1:13 Infiltration A
0:56 AF1 A
0:53 CI A
0:09 Duel PA

Desert Eagle

0:06 Defection
1:32 Rescue A
2:26 Rescue SA

Blazebebe

2:18 Attack Ship A
2:49 Attack Ship SA
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Ah... just like old times! Post back here with any info on these times, what proof exists, when you'll be able to send a tape, etc.  Good luck with the proof, everyone.
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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2004, 10:50:00 pm »
Ah, makes me want to sip on that Stewart's Good Ole' Fashioned Root Beer!

Get your tapes in, kids.

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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2004, 11:13:00 pm »
Haha... Greg K in the main proof call. How stupid.

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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2004, 11:15:00 pm »
:eek

About myself:

Defection A 0:06: ffs, is this necessary?
Ext SA/PA: Wouter's got the 1:31 Endscreen plus the scrolling showing both times
Air Base A 1:17: Scrolling with Wouter
AF1: the 0:55 is not taped, but the 1:22 SA and 1:29 PA are.
Crash Site A 1:22: nop
Pelagic: nothing, unfortunally. When I was trying those I was getting VCR problems so I didn't tape. Yeah it's gay.
Deep Sea A 3:09: no, but I got the SA 4:20 on tape.
CI A/SA: both taped
Ruins SA 1:30: this was like totally unexpected, 5 min of play = not taped
MBR A 1:23: taped, and the 1:32 PA too.

My really big issue here is the Pelagic, the rest is ok. I can't play the N64 (lost my power source more than a year ago) so I won't get scrolling proof or play some level. On that compilated tape there'll be a plenty of proof for myself, if those aren't enough, I can't do anything.

Ok, for the rest of the brazilians, is up to themselves.. I personally saw all the scrolling times of all of them, but that doesn't count here I guess. For Kack, Knuckles is checking the tapes so I believe he'll post what he's got taped soon. Narigutita already started taping some stuff (got Chicago PA 0:30 there), and I believe he'll do well. Easton will probably tape some pr's very soon, same for Mitrhil and Napa. For Ghus and Chuck, if they don't get 6 Def in 2 months, they're really lame.

And show your position about scrolling/endscreen. Cuz if you guys only accept full runs, that'd be REALLY gay, imho.





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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2004, 11:25:00 pm »
Narigutita

0:52 Extraction A
1:11 Villa A
1:36 Extraction SA
3 :11 Deep Sea A

Narigutita

0:52 Extraction A - ok, no big deal, i guess
1:11 Villa A - i can get that tomorrow
1:36 Extraction SA - hmm...i'll make a angry face, but i'll do it
3 :11 Deep Sea A - i hate it, but i guess i can do it again...
i also taped chicago SA 29 and PA 30, so i will send it too...
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2004, 11:39:00 pm »
Matt was questioning the whole Greg K. thing in Chat a sec ago, so thought I'd explain it here.

There's a difference between "groups" of proof and "levels" of proof.  Just because Greg is in the same group with the rest of Brazil doesn't mean that he's on the highest priority level; we've seen stuff from him in the past and he's proven himself trustworthy over the years.  The only reason he's listed at the top is because he's the best in that group, and we since a video is going to be sent out in any case, we would love to have some of his best stuff included there as well.
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2004, 11:41:00 pm »
Why isn't x9 called for 28 chicago? Because this call is stupid.

Why the HELL am i not called for 54.2 CI A. You are so dumb. That time is goddam near impossible with what you know. Anyone with a brain would know it's impossible.

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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2004, 11:43:00 pm »
Matt, you make the dumbest points ever.  If you want me to prove you wrong YET AGAIN, I will, though I don't feel like wasting the time since I already pwned you out of moderatorship :)

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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2004, 11:44:00 pm »
"we would love to have some of his best stuff"

Don't twist this proof call. The reason for this proof call is because everyone realise they were hypocrites. Now you're going to go and remove a ton of records from the page. Well done.

Also, any of YE's times that don't require vid proof, consider them proven. I've seen the scrolling. Or isn't that good enough?

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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2004, 11:46:00 pm »
yep, let's hear it. Which points are dumb? Surely the x9 one. That's bad. Plus the 54 one. Bad. oh wait, no it's completely true.

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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2004, 01:03:00 am »
Disco accidentally taped over a lot of proof before/during Illinois 2002 but he got a lot of stuff in front of me or I saw on tape... Let me see...

1:30 investigation we all saw him get live and is on tape somewhere...

I think I saw 0:28 chicago and 2:24 rescue (not sure)

No sign of Air base 2:13 (I remember clearly wanting to see it)

Saw 1:32 crash site sa on tape and he got 0:53 ci agent like 12 times in front of us on first tries...

Don't remember if he had proof for 1:12 ruins or war.

Darklight had a video for his 1:59 p2 sa I think.

Carnski will never provide proof (he was removed from GE because of this).

I should be required to provide proof for 28 chicago sa but I never will since I'm determined to get 27 :)

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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2004, 05:01:00 am »
Yeah Jon, I'm getting a proof call even though my tapes are already at your house. :p    Anyways, Get 27 someone.  28 is a joke, especially when I could get upper 12 bombspy releases and only manage low 28s. |I

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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2004, 07:32:00 am »
My 64 doesn't work anymore,so I won't provide any proofs...

(btw I sent a tape to wouter a long time ago,there was stuff like 2:31 escape A,2:45 attack ship SA ect...)

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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2004, 09:40:00 am »
I have videos for these (not all proof call times, some are few second slower):

Claude's Defection A 0:06.

I have Anael's Defection 7 but its gay and corrupt for some reason, so it stops like halfway the run.
I got Anael's Escape Agent 2:31.
I got Anael's failed CS PA 1:57.
I got Anael's AS A 2:19, ending of 2:15, his 2:45 SA, ending of 2:43.

For Vitor I have:
Ext SA 1:35
AB A 1:19
AF1 A 0:57
P2 PA 2:19
DS A 3:11

Phil's P2 A 0:55, SA 1:57.

Simon's Invest A 1:30.
Simon's P2 A 0:54 and 0:55.

Steve's P2 SA 1:59.
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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2004, 10:08:00 am »
:b
at ryan

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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2004, 10:37:00 am »
Ngamer said I should give scrolling proof of all times, and video proof of the bolded times (or within a few seconds). I've listed which system I got them with, so people know which scrolling proof vid to check. So here's everything...

0:06 Defection A - PAL
1:29 Investigation A - I got 1:34 on tape first try, with a 53 bot. Shows my post-laser skills.
2:38 Investigation PA - Ugh. I got a 2:37/2:38 fail on tape where I died after getting the shield tech item. You can easily see I was on WR pace with my time of death. Plus I failed because of a twist of luck. Is it good enough proof? It shows my pre-laser skills.

1:41 Extraction PA - I have a 1:47 vid where I waste heaps of time using a homing rocket on the chopper. I used manual for 1:41.

1:23 Villa SA - Already got a vid online
0:28 Chicago SA - Already got a vid online
1:38 Infiltration SA - NTSC
1:16 Air Base A - Taped, sending to Matt
1:46 Air Base SA - Taped, sending to Matt
2:09 Air Base PA - Taped, sending to Matt
0:55 Af1 A - NTSC
1:22 Af1 SA - NTSC
1:29 AF1 PA - NTSC
1:21 Crash Site A - Already got a vid online
1:33 Crash Site SA - NTSC
1:56 Crash Site PA - NTSC
2:32 Deep Sea A - PAL
3:24 Deep Sea PA - I have a 3:35 vid online (where I crack heaps) to show my skills. 3:24 is NTSC.
0:53 CI A - NTSC
1:30 CI SA - I have a 1:31 vid.
1:48 CI PA - Taped, sending to Matt
1:12 Ruins A - NTSC
1:29 Ruins SA - NTSC
1:25 MBR SA - NTSC
1:39 SOS A - Got a 1:41 on tape where I had to wait for the first lift a bit, it was my third try. Crappy run. Worth 91 points, funny.

1:54 SOS SA - Taped, sending to Matt
0:47 WAR SA - Got a 51 on tape with one door open, no Phoenix boosts and stuckage.
So yeah... all the above, plus scrolling proof of every level. My main focus has been getting times within a few seconds of the bolded times, on tape (Invest A, Invest PA, Maian A, War SA)

Are those 4 runs okay, or should I get better on any of them?

PS. Invest PA 2:37/2:38 fail is being captured no matter what anyone says. Unless that anyone is Matt :p

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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2004, 12:37:00 pm »
Let me get this straight, I have to play a game I haven't touched in so long and play stages like Investigation PA and Deep Sea PA, stages that require so much skill its unreal? Basically, getting these times again on tape is going to be way too difficult for me to care. Who did I send my last tape to anyway? I'm pretty sure I had runs on the tape that weren't made into videos and I think one was 2:45 Inves PA. I probably have a really low 1:19 Air Base too, like, .06 :\

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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2004, 12:41:00 pm »
Yeah, Christoph Kohlbach. Someone needs to find him/ contact him.
I also still need videos he has (according to his site):
Chicago Agent 0:16
Defense Agent 0:54
Maian SOS Agent 1:41
Duel Perfect Agent 0:09
Escape Special Agent 3:37
Escape Perfect Agent 3:43
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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2004, 01:50:00 pm »
I think PDO has an endscreen of my 0:06 Defection from awhile back. Wouter has my 1:30 Invest. A

As for the rest, I don't have them nor the endscreens on tape, if people really insist I'll do scrolling proof.

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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2004, 03:08:00 pm »
I can prove all of my old WRs.

Let's start with Villa PA:
I have a 4:17 where I kill the snipers, then leave the game on and go take a crap, come back 3 minutes later, get stuck for 10 hours, and finish.  It obviously shows I have skill to get under 1:30.

Crash Site PA: I have a 9:13 where I accidentally killed the president and then took 6 wrong turns, got a closed door to the first cave, and also didn't get the LX.  It shows my skill though.

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I say, if you disagree at all with a proof call from a moderator, such as this one and what Matt is doing, you should be banned right on the spot for being gay.
Bitching about a proof call is just retarded.  That's like me sending a letter to the president bitching about something...he's never going to change his mind.

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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2004, 03:39:00 pm »
Josh is entirely right.

I think I'll go turn my game on and run around to show I have the skills for 1:22 invest A, and I'll show my gamesharked endscreen after that since endscreens are totally valid proof now.