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« on: January 25, 2004, 08:18:00 pm »
As we all know, Funky Buddha has recently set some of the year's best world records in Deep Sea.  A few of the Australians have been lucky enough to witness his skill first hand, but now FB is going to be given a chance to prove his abilities to the rest of the world as well.  His untied records will stand for one month from today, after which time they will be temporarily removed, until a proof tape arrives at the home of one of the moderators.  Here is what must be on that tape:

Deep Sea A - 2:31
Deep Sea SA - 3:04
Deep Sea PA - 3:23

Now, Elvis is obviously a major issue here, and so getting a time a second or two slower (with a bad Elvis cleary shown)would be acceptable.  And, while he's at it, it would be great if FB would tape some runs equal or close to these times:

Invest SA  - 2:14*
Villa A - 1:12
Villa SA - 1:24
Villa PA - 1:40
Chicago SA - :28
Infil A - 1:14*
Maian A - 1:40

* NTSC-favored, try to do something close to the PAL record

With good runs there, we could make sure that proof won't be an issue again for a long time.

Alright, so we all look forward to seeing your skill, FB, good luck on getting some quality runs on tape.
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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2004, 08:29:00 pm »
I haven't even spoken to Karl or Ryan about this, but I'm sure if Greg is removed, you won't be seeing the 3 of us on the rankings page.

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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2004, 08:35:00 pm »
I don't see what the big deal is here, none of those times are really unbeatable and could be achieved by the vast majority of the top ten with practice.


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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2004, 08:42:00 pm »
Matt, you are such a @#%$ crybaby.  The proof call has nothing to do with you.  FB is highly ranked and has good times, he is required to provide proof.  Just because you know him does not make him proved.. this is just like the Steven thing now.. if you are gonna cry about it like this and remove your pages...

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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2004, 08:53:00 pm »
I respected you and the other great Aussies a lot, but I am losing that respect rather quickly due to your childish actions.

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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2004, 08:53:00 pm »
I think he also needs proof for his newer GE times like 49 facility agent, etc...

And it doesn't matter if Matt and them take down their times.  We can put them back up.

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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2004, 09:06:00 pm »
I suppose I'll just assume you're going to remove Sucram as well. Why wouldn't you? "I beat my old times ages ago. Have a nice day." Obviously Greg K as well. Extraction PA 140? Yeah right. I do actually belive Vitor, but that doens't count for anything. Sucram on the other hand, I do not believe.

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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2004, 09:08:00 pm »
Phil: Yes, the other times are not amazing, but Deep Sea is.  They're all untied WRs, SA by a full 4 seconds.  A had been one of the oldest WRs in history before he snapped it.  They are arguable just as "unbeatable" as the records for any other level, outside of like Chicago/Duel.  If you're still not impressed, play the level a little yourself, you'll see.

Matt: I've spoken with YE about this at length, and he has assured me that his times page will be staying in place regardless.  I'm sure FB is going to cooperate, but if for some reason he was unable to, please keep in mind that nothing would be removed except for his untied records.  And, considering the fact that no one has seen him achieve these records, this seems perfectly justifiable.  Just last week, wasn't a time (which was no longer a WR, let alone an untied one) removed, even after the player had shown scrolling proof to a number of people, moderators included?
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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2004, 09:12:00 pm »
I suppose there is a good point in there. The Extraction PA record really isn't that strong. Even the 1:41 PAL I got was with a @#%$ up 1:37 strategy, and thats no joke :)  Then you have to think about the NTSC advantage, so maybe a couple of seconds could be cut there. The PA record should be maybe 0:02 slow on the SA record... :rolleyes

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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2004, 09:22:00 pm »
Nobody had seen Dark Otto play. Nobody had seen PAL proof. It could easily been anyone with an ntsc cart doing that vid for him. People have seen Greg play. Ryan and Karl have both seen 304 scrolling proof (Yes, on a PAL cart). Also, 323 scrolling proof. Also... 234 scrolling proof. If you ban Greg while we have seen this... that's just a joke. Nobody has seen any sort of proof for 123 and the circumstances in which it was released are quite jokeable. Address this Sucram situation.

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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2004, 09:36:00 pm »
Well, I'm off for now.  Gonna go white water rafting in the river of Matt's tears.

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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2004, 10:42:00 pm »
Quality - Its funny when Tyler takes the piss out of others :p

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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2004, 12:53:00 am »
Man, I'm so sick of this shit. All you other Aussies are fucking gay. Stop being so fucking dumb, he has three untieds and he has been asked for proof, it's a perfectly acceptable ask, and it should have been done by now. If FB's too gay to prove his times, that's his problem...and if you think we're scared of you others (Matt, whoever else) taking down your times, you're gayer than I thought.

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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2004, 01:43:00 am »
The problem is they want to remove his untieds, despite them being proven already to Ryan and Karl.

Neo.. What the fu.ck. Stop being so arrogant. When did you start to think you were better than us? If anyone is gay it's you. Look at you. You have no games skill but hang around here, under the guidance of Food, Come and Tyler. You're their Bit.ch, Neo. You're a young, little, bit.ch. [Stupid ezboard censor.. making my post look cra.ppy]

What i said stands. If FB gets banned. I'm taking my times down. If someone puts them up against my will, then that would be really gay. The elite has changed. Sh.it. It used to be fun. But apparently with Tyrants Food, Come and Tyler running happy over in the PD board, when they don't play the game.. giving their cra.ppy opinions... It makes it bad.

What on Earth inspired this proof call Ngamer? I know you didn't just think "hey I'll proof call FB". Tell me what the circumstances were surrounding it.

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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2004, 02:30:00 am »
Because of the long period of inactivity and the sudden surge of untieds?

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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2004, 02:43:00 am »
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The problem is they want to remove his untieds, despite them being proven already to Ryan and Karl.


That proves them to everyone else?  Nope.

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Neo.. What the fu.ck. Stop being so arrogant. When did you start to think you were better than us? If anyone is gay it's you. Look at you. You have no games skill but hang around here, under the guidance of Food, Come and Tyler. You're their Bit.ch, Neo. You're a young, little, bit.ch.


When was he arrogant?? You are the one being arrogant and thinking that you have power around here.  Insulting his gaming skill just proves that you have no actual argument against any of the statements brought forth.

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What i said stands. If FB gets banned. I'm taking my times down. If someone puts them up against my will, then that would be really gay. The elite has changed. Sh.it. It used to be fun. But apparently with Tyrants Food, Come and Tyler running happy over in the PD board, when they don't play the game.. giving their cra.ppy opinions... It makes it bad.


Opinions are like assholes... (you should know the rest).  Again, stop thinking that you somehow have power around here.  You are a mod of the board, nothing else.  The elite is very fun.. otherwise we wouldnt still be here.  If you don't think its fun, leave.  Food, Tyler and I can voice our opinions whereever we want, and yes, Tyler and I both play the game/follow the rankings.  Food knows enough about whats going on to have logical reasons to make his statements.

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What on Earth inspired this proof call Ngamer? I know you didn't just think "hey I'll proof call FB". Tell me what the circumstances were surrounding it.


I brought it up.  Greg doesn't even seem to have a problem with it.  I talked to him last night and he said that its not a problem... you are the one thats making it so difficult because you think we are somehow attacking you by asking someone else for proof.  Sound stupid?  Because it is.  I have as much power as you do around the rankings (none), but since you found it necessary to ask Otto for proof, I think its necessary for Greg to provide proof.  Of course, I consulted one of our lovely administrators/runners of the rankings, and asked him to make the topic, so it would be labelled official.

This concludes the pwning portion of the program.  Please tune in next time, after Matt makes another illogical post with no sensible arguments or background for them.

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« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2004, 03:00:00 am »
on second thought.. i'm gay.. thanks come

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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2004, 03:05:00 am »
Adam, he does have a deadline.. read Jons first post

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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2004, 04:18:00 am »
Consider your mod powers gone.

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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2004, 04:23:00 am »
Damn. Seeing as you said my arguments are illogical, they must be, right? I tend to disagree.

What is illogical about this? :

Greg shouldn't have to provide proof because we've already seen his skills, and times on his cart. Who is we? We is Karl, and myself... Proof mods. Also Ryan, numero uno - that must count for something.

You need to understand something else. Greg is a lazy bitch. He won't tape his runs on time and will get banned. Then will most likely decide that he can't be stuffed to get back in. So basically, Greg = banned... and for what? So Come can have his way. You're not privy to any of the strats that Greg has told Ryan or myself. You don't know how good his times are. Why do you even doubt his times? Whoa... they're untied. So are heaps of times... why didn't you ask for proof of them? I will have no objected to Greg having to prove his DS times if Sucram and Greg K are both proof called for all their unproven untieds.

I've said all i want to say in this post. So you won't here more from me. Nothing illogical was said, though surely you can twist it and then label it illogical to suit your point of view.

edit.. bah, Tyler drew me back in. You call me "@#%$ gay" about 3 times in one post, not even touching on the flow of the topic? Hardly a post worth keeping in the topic. Expert would see it that way in an instant. Just try and tell it to him differently.

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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2004, 04:32:00 am »
Matt, you're a faggot. Calling me shit at video games, and implying that I shouldn't hang around because of it, is just crossing the line. You think I don't know that? I'm not stupid. But it's not like I can just wave a magic wand and suddenly be great like you and others. The Elite isn't just about having the greatest skill, and who can get the best times. It all boils down to the point that The Elite is SUPPOSED to be fun, for everyone! I hate people like you who discourage people like me from competing in games...fuck off and die.

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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2004, 06:08:00 am »
haha yeah greg is a lazy @#%$ and is going to get banned.. but.. he will be in our hearts forever, as coolest cat of the elite.

I agree with matt a fair bit on this one.. maybe i'm just protective because greg is by far the most talented player in the pde.. but yeah.. as far as i can remember back, having your times seen by a proof mod has always been sufficient proof.. and given the fact 2 proof mods and the best player in the elite are backing him up it seems kinda unfair to say he hasn't been prooven.. If this is the way things are going to be done.. what about the likes of players who have just been verified by proof mods seeing the times, and defenitely, what about the likes of sucram, almost identical circumstances, except greg has been whitnesssed playing deep sea, and his scrolling times have been seen..

But apart from that.. Neo is right.. you took things a bit far there, a majority of the members of this board dun really have any talent in any of the games the site is focused around.. @#%$ i can't even remember the last time i used a games console. Anyway.. this post is retardedly long for my style... so.. any more crap that needs to be mindlessly repeated can be done so by someone else :b

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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2004, 10:17:00 am »
First off, start telling us what he has all shown then.
We all know that scrolling proof isn't exactly proof.
It's pretty much like a screenshot.

Anyway, I would also not allow untied times without ANY SINGLE PROOF VIDEO FOR EVERYONE TO SEE. Especially not a WHOLE SWEEP.

Look, Sucram's times, I'd doubt too, but they are likely to stay up longer (but will eventually be beaten or found to be too good to stay up without proof) because he at least HAD SOME PROOF. And with that, not just some proof, actually proof for those levels too. Although only a 40 sa and 1:28 pa, it's 100% more proof than FB has for his 3 deep sea times.

For Vitor, he has quite a few good times proven, I have a tape with proof from him still lying in my room (and I'm keeping it, not re-using the tape or anything).
I think many of you are to blame yourself aswell, since you are almost all too lazy to play those levels where there are untieds which can be beaten "easily" or so I hear. Also, the top players still don't tape everything either. With one word I dare to say, you guys SUCK on the subject of providing proof.

I think Rayola needs to proof his WAR PA :p

Almost all the other untieds are Karl or Matt or Ryan stuff, so blame yourself there, I'd say those should go over time aswell, if never tied/beaten WITH PROOF.

By the way, Ben Gorman is still first when it comes to proof.

Next point.

If you remove your times, would it matter much? You said you were retired.. planning a secret comeback? There have been more people that removed theirselves after they retired. I don't think we'll lose sleep over that, plus the fact you already wasn't ranked last update, and Shade still isn't ranked after showing alot of proof for good times.. like we are going to be much worse when it's already bad.

Also being a lazy lazer is certainly not a reason to not tape. how can he be lazy when he's trying for damn untied wrs as we speak? any lazy git would be too lazy to even play for fast times. Plus the fact it doesn't matter AT ALL how long he takes to proof himself, since the times will be put back up ONCE he proves them, the deadline just means when that date has passed and he hasn't proven himself, times will go down UNTIL proven. So a deadline is kind of a something to be lucky with.. that's the period of time how long your unproven times that need to be proven will still be tolerated.
That's the way to look at it.

There, I've said my piece.
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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2004, 10:54:00 am »
wouter.. wat are you trying to proove? he's been given his deadline for his records, you saying he needs to proove them is irrelevant, because it has already been decided it must be done. Greg will surely get proof eventually.. but my main point here is, if a player validated as regularly as greg is to be made to provide video proof, then why shouldn't the likes of sucram.. sucrams proof does nothing more than merely show the strat a full 5 seconds slower, pulling it off that much faster is a huge difference, you of all people should know that wouter, i think the entire elite needs to be reviewed and one of the old style mass proof calls needs to be made, rather than picking out individuals at random.

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« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2004, 11:13:00 am »
You missed a paragraph:

Look, Sucram's times, I'd doubt too, but they are likely to stay up longer (but will eventually be beaten or found to be too good to stay up without proof) because he at least HAD SOME PROOF. And with that, not just some proof, actually proof for those levels too. Although only a 40 sa and 1:28 pa, it's 100% more proof than FB has for his 3 deep sea times.

I never said Marcus's times should stay up forever. But that's not for me to say, I only update the proven rankings, and there's no FB in there to remove, yet there's a Sucram in there to stay.
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« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2004, 11:19:00 am »
fair enuf.. either way.. i still think a mass proof call would be a good idea.. this elite needs cleaning up.. holy @#%$.. i'm the biggest @#%$ hypocrite, i lie my way to top 15 and then talk about the elite needing to be cleaned up.. :|

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« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2004, 04:03:00 pm »
It's too easy to say "well what about so-and-so??!!" If you really were so concerned about Sucram's times why didn't you ask for proof when he got them, not ages later when Sucram's clearly retired and not here to defend himself; his times page doesn't even work anymore. Matt, stop using Sucram as an excuse for not proving Greg's times.

The Elite has to be pragmatic about proof, else everyone would have to tape absolutely everything which would be ridiculous.

Wouter's post summed everything up well. Especially the part about how if he's going for untied WRs there's no way he can be too lazy to tape.

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« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2004, 04:44:00 pm »
So let me get this straight. Greg "Funky Buddha" Lewis gets a triple-untied sweep on Deep Sea, and Ngamer would like video proof. What was the problem again?

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« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2004, 05:12:00 pm »
It's not rediculous to tape absolutely everything imo.

ps, Southward, just like in Steven's case in GE, times can be let in when they were just gotten, but as time goes by and we get to know more about the times and how good they are, it is possible they will be removed in a late stadium. We can't help that the people who happen to have those times were too lazy or unable to provide proof back in the day. That's life.
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« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2004, 06:41:00 pm »
Well, let's say Greg's Deep Sea times are indeed impressive. It's not like Phil said, "any top 10 could get it" or something, it requires some good amount of skill and time. But since Jugador/Karl have seen his scrooling times, my first thought is that he's validated, not fully validated, but validated.

It's pretty much like all the brazilian issue, excepting that Greg's got 3 untied wr's while some brazilian dudes have some ok times.

We had a meeting this week (20-26 january), and for the first time I met Kack (he traveled like 600km or so). He has a nice proof tape - with 1:14.11 Infil A, some good chicago stuff, Defection A 0:06 :p  + some other things. And it was fun how I got 3:29 Escape SA (twice) and he tied it in a few minutes the other day - I was watching him playing. We also checked his scrooling etc. So, all brazilians and especially me would be REALLY pissed if you remove him (kack) for not prooving. As you see, pretty much the same.

To avoid any further problems, Greg could send a tape and proove his Deep Sea, but I think it's really unfair to remove him. And I know how's that lazy thing for taping, even if you're going for untied wr's.

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« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2004, 06:58:00 pm »
Vitor, Is Kack going to send his tape to anyone with a capture card?  I'm not doubting his achievements, but it would be nice to have some of his runs online and validated for the entire elite.

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« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2004, 07:00:00 pm »
"So let me get this straight. Greg "Funky Buddha" Lewis gets a triple-untied sweep on Deep Sea, and Ngamer would like video proof. What was the problem again?" ~ Sam

Ouch. Ngamer doesn't want to see video proof. Come does. Ngamer is being his mouthpiece moreorless. Greg has already shown his cart to 2 mods and the highest ranked player in the world. Those 2 mods and highest ranked player have also witness him play, achieving times close to the 231, 304, 323. He's also told us strats (special techniques he uses). The problem is that if this has already occured, he shouldn't be proof called.

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« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2004, 07:24:00 pm »
Ngamer obviously wouldn't have posted it if he did not agree with me.

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« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2004, 08:07:00 pm »
Lookatme.  Iammatt.  Icrammanywordsinto one.  Moreorless.  Iamgay.

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« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2004, 08:08:00 pm »
Except only Matt and I know about your ultra-secret technological mind control device you use to manipulate Jon's every action. If Jon had control of himself, he absolutely would not accept proof from Greg whatsoever. Come, I demand you to release Jon's brain waves from your callous machine!


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« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2004, 08:08:00 pm »
People tend to agree with / stick up for their friends. Bias?

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« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2004, 08:19:00 pm »
Everyone's biased around here. Untied = Video Proof, end of story. And don't make references about me, I'm not on the rankings therefore I don't count as holding any WRs.

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« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2004, 08:33:00 pm »
:rollin  @ Bizi

But yeah, I'm pretty sure Jon can speak for himself. Come may have sparked the situation, but he didn't manipulate anyone. I don't think threatening to leave the elite is going to make anything better either... but if that's how you want to approach things. I agree that FB should have to prove his untied WRs, as should anyone in his current position. I have tapes of all my runs, however horrible they may be. If you expect to be ranked in the elite, you should expect to have to prove your good times. Otherwise, you might as well just play without being ranked.

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« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2004, 08:39:00 pm »
come: We didn't speak about that much but I think he can send it w/o problems. I'll talk to him about that when he gets on.

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« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2004, 09:22:00 pm »
Greg needs proof. End of story. By what everyone is saying, he doesn't have a problem with it either. Only you Matt. So stop trying to make us change our minds about the proof call...It's like you're trying to protect his times in case they are fake or something...

Also Matt, stop bringing up Sucram. He has vids of himself online that shows that he can actually get those Defection times. And to stand up for my case that wouter brought up (even though i think he was joking), I have a vid of :56 War PA, showing the crapiness in that, you can see how I got :54.

I could be wrong about this, but did FB ever make vids? I can't recall. If he did make some, were they even of Deep Sea? I don't think so...

Everyone else in this topic: Stop bitching back and forth. Its pointless. The proof call has been made and will remain.

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« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2004, 09:26:00 pm »
Exactly what I've been trying to tell him this whole time Chris.

This is the convo between me and FB:

COME as u r337 (1:07:27 AM): you are getting proof called
COME as u r337 (1:07:29 AM): for deepsea
COME as u r337 (1:07:31 AM): and chicago sa
FunkyBKK (1:07:39 AM): cool
FunkyBKK (1:07:41 AM): finally
COME as u r337 (1:07:45 AM): i know
FunkyBKK (1:08:21 AM): because i had no intention of ever giving proof until i was forced to
COME as u r337 (1:08:30 AM): why
COME as u r337 (1:08:34 AM): dont you wanna prove how good you are
FunkyBKK (1:08:39 AM): because its a hassle
COME as u r337 (1:08:42 AM): no it isnt
COME as u r337 (1:08:47 AM): its only a hassle if you make it one
FunkyBKK (1:08:48 AM): it is for me
FunkyBKK (1:08:54 AM): i dont have a vcr

(next night)

FunkyBKK (10:30:49 PM): anyway i got a vcr now
COME as u r337 (10:30:57 PM): Cool
FunkyBKK (10:31:09 PM): yeah, its my birthday today, and my parents got me one from nowhere

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« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2004, 10:24:00 pm »
I don't mean to promote any more arguing or take any sides here, but the Clarkinator said that it's not "Untied WR = automatic proof needed," but more or less (happy Tyler? :p  ) should be dealt with according to the situation...Obviously someone who has been validated by a moderator (FB's case) or shown many videos won't exactly have to have a full video run, but at least a moderator needs to see the run or scrolling proof of the time(s).  However, if a player has not proven anything (Steven's case in GE), and no moderators have seen scrolling proof, then there's definitely a problem; the player has no credibility whatsoever and there's a much more likely chance he/she is lying (did I need to add the /she in there?)

So anyways, the proof call has been made, the person it has been issued on seems to be fine with providing some form of proof (even though he has proven himself to moderators, which I honestly don't think is enough, but it is for some), and therefore there is nothing left to argue about.  Hopefully this is the last post in the topic...($100 says it's not.)

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« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2004, 11:09:00 pm »
I want to see Bryan's Dam 00 2:01 :p

:lol  8o

Sorry, just trying to lighten things up.  I don't see anything wrong with requesting proof for 3 untied records.  It shouldn't be that much of a hassle, when I was requested for proof, I did so with no problem at all.  Asked around how to set up the VCR and cords and stuff, and I was on my way.  And I'm just dandy right now.

Hell, I even made Tyler and Dan send in stuff. :smokin

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« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2004, 11:17:00 pm »
I'd consider it an honor for people to want proof for some great times of mine or something, would make me feel like I contributed something over the months and people have noticed. Make everyone happy, Funky! :)

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« Reply #45 on: January 26, 2004, 11:42:00 pm »
When did you make us send stuff?  We sent it at our own will.  You got a proof deadline, but we knew we wouldn't be banned so we sent it when we felt like it.

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« Reply #46 on: January 27, 2004, 12:47:00 am »
Expert, yes FB made Deep Sea proof vids. I think he taped a 309 or so and gave it to Karl. It was just after his battle with Carnski for the record, so i figure about 309 sounds right.

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« Reply #47 on: January 27, 2004, 01:17:00 am »
Expert reminds me of the "recess teachers" that used to walk around during recess. It's like Matt and Come are fighting over a ball, then Expert has to come and sort things out when it starts to get rough.

Now Come gets to make faces at Matt while he sits in the principal's office. :b

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« Reply #48 on: January 27, 2004, 03:02:00 am »
Who the dick cares about someone removing their times?  Let them quit and cry about it lol... I'm not gonna beg for anyone to return.  Just hard code any of their untied records, then ban their ip from the website and forums and be done with it... No reason at all admins should be influenced by people who think they can get power by being a @#%$.

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« Reply #49 on: January 27, 2004, 02:24:00 pm »
I humbly accept Matt's apology for taking this issue to the extreme, as he put it.  I think everything that could be said about this topic has been spoken for, and so I will now close up discussion.  This will come back to the top either when FB's tape arrives, or else 29 days from now, when we ask for the untied to be temporarily removed.

One last thing, I would like to thank everyone for their defenses of the situation, but especially Wouter and Southward, who I thought made some very good points.
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