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« Reply #650 on: January 28, 2008, 08:22:00 am »
bryan got really close of 60 wrs
i think it was just missing 6
3 aztecs, depot 50, train A (insert wouter's PR here) and jungle 00

somebody correct me, but did bryan got all those already?
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« Reply #651 on: January 28, 2008, 08:53:00 am »
such a bad logic to use those difficult times as reason for his 60/60 being a better achievement, since he didn't need to get those times to have the WR on those levels way before those times were gotten.
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« Reply #652 on: January 28, 2008, 08:59:00 am »
You can't deny the times he got for 60/60 are much harder than the ones you got... and the fact you had less competition. It's pretty obvious Boss pwns you.
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« Reply #653 on: January 28, 2008, 09:27:00 am »
Cue sarcastic Wouter post in 3, 2, ...

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« Reply #654 on: January 28, 2008, 11:00:00 am »
damn, i dont understand why people keep WR on the same level :-P very nice though

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« Reply #655 on: January 28, 2008, 03:58:00 pm »
Insane

Congrats Boss for your 60th WR, I remember when Illu had just set 1'45 from 1'47, and you told me your last hopes had flown (?) away. It was close for the untied, but I'm not sure of which situation is better: set an untied which is tied just a few hours later or tie an untied just a few hours after it's set...



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« Reply #656 on: January 28, 2008, 05:10:00 pm »
Let's go to work, Ilari! That's YOUR level!!!




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« Reply #657 on: January 28, 2008, 05:24:00 pm »
Ugh, don't put pressure on Ilari to play. If you're not a top player you don't understand what the pressure of people telling you to cake an untied can do if you don't have a lot of self esteem when it happens. Of course it shouldn't get to you if you're a strong minded person but sometimes right after your WR gets beat that goes down and then people are putting pressure on you and it's really a terrible situation. I don't know how Illu is feeling but just stop everybody. It's not nice!
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« Reply #658 on: January 28, 2008, 05:30:00 pm »
O_O'

ok, sorry.... i know... i lost all of my facility WRs Oo

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« Reply #659 on: January 28, 2008, 05:45:00 pm »
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« Reply #660 on: January 28, 2008, 06:02:00 pm »
 


But really this 60/60 wr stuff seems pointless to me. I mean, its stupid to imply that you need to have all 60 wrs at some time to feel accomplished, since times get worse over time anyway. I just dont see how getting all 60 wrs ever is supposed to be some grand accomplishment. I dont think Aztec 136 was very tough. Fact is, I will never get all 60 wrs, but should i feel bad because of this? Nope.


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« Reply #661 on: January 28, 2008, 06:38:00 pm »
less competition is hardly an argument for quality of the wrs. it is obvious that the wrs these days aren't of greater quality either, when most of the top players can tie about each one of them and thus do so, and plenty of untieds still come around. you hardly even know how competition was in my time. the wrs have mostly improved strategy wise, if you watch my runs, probably 95% used old strats and with the strats from back then, it isn't any less of an accomplishment than doing it now. using your argument, it would make your own argument void if it's used a few years down the road, looking back to now, it could be used to say this accomplishment isn't great, since at that time (in the future), the wrs are way better again. etc.
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« Reply #662 on: January 28, 2008, 06:41:00 pm »
translation to Wouter's post: blah blah blah blah etc.
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« Reply #663 on: January 28, 2008, 06:49:00 pm »
Give me a f'ucking break. WRs were terrible back when you got them and you know it. Silo 115, wtf. Back then, people could play a level and untie it in like 2 hours, then play another level and untie it in the same day. Sure some levels were harder due to gay strats, making the times decent even though they suck now, but it's general knowledge that strats which havent been around for long tend to be owned by like one or 2 people and thus a untied wr is set, or a wr is tied easily. These days most wrs are from speed, not just strat. We do @$@# faster and the strats are also harder. I remember Dan mentioning how, while the strats indeed have changed, they also take more skill to pull off. so therefor, this current generation of players (myself, ace, bryan etc) must use strats which take more skill to pull off. Not to mention, many levels havent even undergone strat changes. Train Agent is about the same, Silo Agent. Good luck caking Train 101 or Silo 103...

watch some joe schmoes dam 00a 203, youll notice the same strats you used when you got 201. Why is this? because these players are inexperienced and must use simpler strats. This does not mean 203 is any harder with this strat than a "faster" one, since basically the people using the "faster" strats will be more experienced and thus have more skill. So using the argument that strats make wrs better and old wrs were as good as current ones, is absolutely %*#@*!* stupid.

WRs are much more maxed these days, as well. Sure aztec 143 was gotten seemingly fast, but you gotta realize how much work was put into this level before it happened. back when you got 156 basically nobody played it, and henrik caked 155 on some terrible run. I highly doubt 142 could be gotten on a terrible run. You really need to wake the $#%# up.

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« Reply #664 on: January 28, 2008, 07:31:00 pm »
yeah I guess bla bla bla is easier to understand, it's obvious you guys don't know how to read and interpret things they way they were meant.

"Back then, people could play a level and untie it in like 2 hours, then play another level and untie it in the same day."
I don't see the difference to GE of today.

"strats which havent been around for long" "many levels havent even undergone strat changes"
what are you guys thinking when you post. brains thrown out when posting? my time/carreer, wasn't exactly at the start of this game. I've been playing till 2006. started around 1998/9.
if you think all those 7 years no strats have changed it only shows the more lack of brains when posting. I've been through tons more strat changes than probably anyone here. I've been going through levels over and over again because of that, in which alot of time was spent, that now is hardly the case.

"So using the argument that strats make wrs better and old wrs were as good as current ones"
how is a strat that clearly saves time, does not make a wr better? appearantly you haven't seen any of my runs then, cuz they aren't exactly horseshit.

"You really need to wake the $#%# up."
right back at ya. people will keep playing GE, strats will still improve, wrs will keep being beaten. in a few years, today's wrs are more or less the same compared to the future wrs as the wrs of a few years back are compared to todays wrs. no one is better than any other in the top. it's pointless playing for being the best. the only thing you could do is 'max' out the game, but what one can do, there's always someone that will be able to do the same eventually. you may be starting to believe you're the best and now you've 'caked' your way to the top, you think everything is so great. but some day someone else will make you realise the things I've realised and Bryan has started to realise lately. but appearantly it is something you have to actually go through before ever being capable of understanding it. you may be good, everyone may be praising you now, but it won't last forever.it will pass on to the next guy and the next.. and maybe even a hot girl. (oh yes.. I will revive!)
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« Reply #665 on: January 28, 2008, 07:34:00 pm »
Terrible is subjective too. I gotta agree with Wouter, that you basically cannot compare the strength of WRs these days with WRs gotten a few years back. In 4 years everyone says the same about the WRs now, that they are easy to get and stuff, just because people have better skills which comes in time.

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« Reply #666 on: January 28, 2008, 08:03:00 pm »
What year is it? Where are we in the space time continuum? Now you say? Yeah thats right. Maybe when you got all 60 it was insane Wouter, and now Boss did it, it's insane. Just watch in 5 years it won't be insane anymore. Does it matter? Of course not because we're living in now.
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« Reply #667 on: January 28, 2008, 08:07:00 pm »
One thing i should say
ok, clemens can play and do a lot of nice times, even some untieds i liked (saw a lot of videos today)
but i cant stand the guy, he's just so stupid and boring

ok, that's all i had to say for now
i swear i didnt get anything from that guy, just that he is a moron
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« Reply #668 on: January 28, 2008, 08:56:00 pm »
i like the competetion... but everytime i see a record being broke i just think, well there goes the chances of me tieing that level even less.  but i agree, strats still today can be gettin in 2 hours just like they were in the past, but its also because peoples skills have become better along with improving strats that are harder to execute... in my opinion everythings getting better... till one day it will all be phsycially maxed and everyone will have the same wr ties

lol i just noticed this... i hate to be off topic... but wouter, i just noticed you almost had 10,000 post which means you have probably written about 20 miles of online forum messages, or 4 1000 page books, just thoguth i would throw that out there

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« Reply #669 on: January 28, 2008, 08:58:00 pm »
Nah Wouter and Ryan, not every time will get bad. Dam 117 was gotten in 2006, and so was Facilitys 56. Only one of these times is still good now, pretty obvious. Point is, some levels were less maxed , some werent. Some levels were played much, some werent. Kinda stupid to just assume every wr or time will become bad after time, because i think its pretty obvious that quite a few wont ever become bad or easy. All I am saying is that what times you do get are more important than how many you get. Even if someone got every wr at one time in 2008, one of the wrs would be beaten at some point. I just wish people would tie my times for other reasons, than to just have the 60th wr.  And you know what, I cant believe the nerve Bryan has, to tell me that he "built me up" from the start. How the **$% is he going to take credit for the times I have gotten?  He can jsut kiss my %%%$%!@ ass if he honestly thinks he can take credit for anything I have done in this game.

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« Reply #670 on: January 28, 2008, 09:16:00 pm »
"its pretty obvious that quite a few wont ever become bad or easy"
obvious? we thought it was obvious that statue wouldn't ever go below 2:25 back then. just give me any reason why any record right now makes it totally impossible to become like that?

"All I am saying is that what times you do get are more important than how many you get."
err.. you are pr'ing more than going strictly for maxed times. don't you realise that you're saying there that what I did is more important than what you are doing? besides, about everyone gets 60/60 times, but they all differ per person. wown'd

you can't deny you've been lucky getting into this so late. if GE would now be only just out, you'd have to actually find all the current strats on your own (takes years..), can't watch (m)any videos to see how things are done, and, a few years down the road, you'd be utter shit if you don't keep playing forever on end. you get older and you can't keep playing as much and thus can't defend your position. newer players, younger, watching all the current srats from videos etc, having plenty of free time, getting good, and will pwn you. no matter the time. it will keep happening over and over. sure, there's some max, but don't get the illusion we're near that just because the current pointview is the wrs are good. but if you just think about it - that pointview is the same every year, pretty much. we still see things we can improve on, and even where we don't see it, improvements happen anyway.

yes, you've gotten the records by playing the game by yourselves, of course you deserve credit for that, BUT ALSO: without any outside help (the elite, us, and thus, Bryan too), you'd be nowhere near where you are now.
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« Reply #671 on: January 28, 2008, 09:24:00 pm »

Yeah, but to tell someone that you are soley responsible for them getting their times is just absurd. Some other ridiculous %%%* was said, but you know I dont wanna get into that any more than i already have, because its just @#@*$+! bullshit dude.


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« Reply #672 on: January 28, 2008, 09:47:00 pm »

Just a game, dudes.


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« Reply #673 on: January 28, 2008, 11:50:00 pm »
I think Wouter's last post was 100% head on.

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« Reply #674 on: January 29, 2008, 12:23:00 am »
You're just pissed that I caked Aztec 143 when I died in the vents on a similar pace a couple days before that.  You'll always be in my shadow even when you get 1st (I was in Wouter's shadow for a long time, might still be).  You can't deny that I helped you get to where you are now, even if just mentioning one thing (kill 3 guards on Fac to reduce lag, left strafe before  pause on Silo 103, run first room on Aztec SA etc).  I just feel like you've totally stabbed my back with some of the recent comments in this topic.  Go ahead and get 141/142.  I don't really care to be honest.

#60 means something to me because it shows that I was capable of the WR during the eras I got it.  Sure I'm not proud of Jungle 00A 102 or Aztec 136 etc, but it's still an accomplishment to remember.  Unless you played back in that era, you don't know if you'd have done what look like cakey times now.  You just have no idea how the game was back then vs how it is now.

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« Reply #675 on: January 29, 2008, 12:58:00 am »
i agree with you tuxedo.. wouter that post was damn quick

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« Reply #676 on: January 29, 2008, 01:01:00 am »
Lets close this WR discussion topic and start a new one with more positive happy thinking everyone. Why are we here if we can't make it at least a little beneficial for us all?
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« Reply #677 on: January 29, 2008, 01:09:00 am »
cause with competition comes misery

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« Reply #678 on: January 29, 2008, 01:47:00 am »
agrees with goose

One thing people seem not to realise. Bryan is not in the shadow of wouter for he has quicker and better times, it's either wouters choice not to try and pr better than those times, or he lacks the skill (i'm not saying he lacks skill) therefore brian has surpassed him

And so what if clemens has had a lot of hints and tips to obtain the times. THE POINT IS HE GOT THEM only bryan and rayan are even close to him at the moment. I can be taught and shown repeatedly how to play a symphony still doesnt mean its going to sound anything but a drowning cow.
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« Reply #679 on: January 29, 2008, 02:23:00 am »
Lean on me when you're not strong, and I'll be your friend, I'll help you carry on!!!
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« Reply #680 on: January 29, 2008, 03:42:00 am »
I really don't think you can use the excuse that I started too early and that's why I can't compete with the newer players now.  I mean c'mon look at gamer of the century Billy Mitchel, he was the best arcade player in his early 20s and now almost 30 years later he still defends his records against newer players, who by the way are also much older than Wouter.

If by Wouter's argument he's a better player than Clemen's or Bryan then Sterling is a better player than Wouter by the same argument.

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« Reply #681 on: January 29, 2008, 05:45:00 am »

In my opinion, the most important point Wouter makes is that as most people get older, the amount of time they can / want to spend on gaming decreases, while younger folks have no problem investing 8 hours a day into it. Billy Mitchel is a special case... It seems like he defines himself so much by his gaming scores that he's probably willing to do anything to try to stay on top. But it's still difficult to compare pac-man to Goldeneye - there is a bit of a gap in complexity


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« Reply #682 on: January 29, 2008, 05:46:00 am »
If you make it your profession yes, if you have other things to do than no.

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« Reply #683 on: January 29, 2008, 05:51:00 am »
Instead of fighting amongst yourselves, you should be more worried about Rayan since he will pwn like no other has ever pwned.

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« Reply #684 on: January 29, 2008, 06:53:00 am »
Billy Mitchel has a real job other than gaming.  I'm pretty sure that's where he gets the vast majority of his money.  He's not the only one, most of the arcade champs are 30 or older with real jobs.

Also look professional sports athletes like Micheal Jordan, you think he has go on internet forums and say he was good at basketball?

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« Reply #685 on: January 29, 2008, 08:09:00 am »
"Wouter's argument he's a better player than Clemen's or Bryan"

READDDD

I quote myself! -

"no one is better than any other in the top"

also, having less time is NOT an argument for being better! it DOES result in less playing time and THAT results in not being able to get better times. but that does not mean someone could not get them! and this isn't (just) about me!

finally, if one hadn't had to work for 40 hours a week and such nonsense, I could easily keep on playing for years several hours a day. too bad that if won't ever swing the other way.
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« Reply #686 on: January 29, 2008, 10:15:00 am »
I've said this once and I'll say it again. This game is all about motivation. Once you know how to perform the best strat, all you need is motivation so you keep trying until you get the record. Literally ANY person (with both arms and hands and not mentally retarded) can get ANY record on either PD/GE/whatever. Obviously some people learn faster than others, some people will take one year to learn something that another one can learn in a couple of days, but on the end it's preety much the same. This discussion is really pointless.. you're discussing about who is more bored to spend hours and hours of his life into a solo game where you go through AI guards and see some numbers on the endscreen.

I think you all should be happy for accomplishing your own goals (at your own time), and not fighting for the best spot as if it would give you anything but your name on a ranking over the internet. Grow up and get a life, ffs.

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« Reply #687 on: January 29, 2008, 11:58:00 am »
its weird how clemens want credit
he simply doesnt do for himself, he does for internet status
weird

ps: alltought he is a !++!%, i agree with vitor
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« Reply #688 on: January 29, 2008, 01:19:00 pm »
ainda bem q sou bom

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« Reply #689 on: January 29, 2008, 02:14:00 pm »
oh man what a mess

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« Reply #690 on: January 29, 2008, 02:18:00 pm »
lol hard mess

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« Reply #691 on: January 29, 2008, 02:56:00 pm »
Someone get a mop!
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« Reply #692 on: January 29, 2008, 04:55:00 pm »
hard mess, but funny one!
that's what the elite is about!
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« Reply #694 on: January 29, 2008, 09:00:00 pm »
This whole thread is pointless, everyone should just shut up and play.
Embrace the grind.

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« Reply #695 on: January 30, 2008, 12:15:00 am »
I agree with Lark.

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« Reply #696 on: January 30, 2008, 12:19:00 am »
Then shut up and play bcks!
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« Reply #697 on: January 30, 2008, 09:33:00 pm »

                           Hey I just like to say no matter who has a wr or not can get good at the game by simply knowing the strats and either doing them or not. For example caverns 00 wr strat I've never completed and on top of it have only tried it a maybe half a dozen times in the six years Ive played for speed runs. But somehow I had the balls one day to block out all the enemies shooting at me on Maian SOS PA and got a time of 2:37. I think it all depends how you feel about going for good times or even wr's. Now should I try going for sub 2:00 on Silo 00 anytime soon hmm probably not.


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« Reply #698 on: January 31, 2008, 05:29:00 pm »
So I opened up the WR topic today and.....

LOL


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« Reply #699 on: January 31, 2008, 07:30:00 pm »
That's frickin amazing Clemens!

Officially 1st in points yet?