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Re: Post new Dark LTK Strats, PRs, and WRs here.
« Reply #1850 on: November 02, 2014, 11:27:14 am »
nice :)

when I tried to kf7 the window guard, one of the corner guards would hear me and catch me.
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« Reply #1851 on: November 02, 2014, 11:58:43 am »
Guessing you start shooting earlier with the KF7 so one of them doesn't make it all the way into the corner?

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« Reply #1852 on: November 02, 2014, 12:04:09 pm »
pp7 is better to kill him anyways imo, you can get a nice 3 clip kill if you only miss 1 shot. i dont always have alot of kf7 ammo at this point and any ammo i have i kinda need later on towards the end of the level. i learned to freeze him, much easier than i thought actually, just sucks when he crouches.

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« Reply #1853 on: November 02, 2014, 12:25:02 pm »

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« Reply #1854 on: November 02, 2014, 12:55:21 pm »
Streets DLTK 4:50

First completion :nesquik: :kappa: Took 40-50 mins to get.

« Last Edit: November 02, 2014, 01:33:26 pm by Wyst3r »

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« Reply #1855 on: November 02, 2014, 12:57:55 pm »
 :o ..very nice!



:D

lets do this then!

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« Reply #1856 on: November 02, 2014, 03:03:51 pm »
Awesome, Henrik, congrats! Nice to see you get a reward for all your amazing routing you've done! Though I don't know how long that will last, especially since with PAL, you can't do the frozen guard glitch. :v

Pretty crazy that Streets only had a couple completions until recently, now everyone's doing it!

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« Reply #1857 on: November 03, 2014, 07:31:54 am »
Well, I suppose this is worth sharing... I have very unfortunate news.

When Henrik posted the untied, I immediately went to work, and in about 2 hours, I got a very good run, not perfect, but still strong.

Now here's the unfortunate part. Of course, I was locally recording with Amarec, but somewhere during the 2nd half of the run, my computer crashes. I screamed when I saw the blue screen...

I ended up clutching the fucking ending like a boss, and then this:
Spoiler

I was in shock...just utter disbelief.

Now, here's the thing. Due to the current lack of proof policy in LTK/DLTK I could technically post 4:25 and claim my UWR back again, but I have integrity and I will not be claming 4:25 on the ranks without a video.

If my next completion is another untied and it does not beat 4:25, I will be severely disappointed and force myself to continue.

I probably played about 8 hours more of Streets and got pretty much nothing, I guess one run up to the first road block but it died to KF7 dash.

My guard and nade luck seems like it's really starting to catch up to me.

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« Reply #1858 on: November 03, 2014, 09:13:01 am »
Ouch, that's incredibly unlucky. Still, amazing time and i'm sure everyone will consider it WR regardless of whether it's on the rankings or not.

Hopefully you'll be able to tie/beat it without too much pain :)

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« Reply #1859 on: November 03, 2014, 09:42:30 am »
Very unfortunate Flicky. You'll improve it later though I'm sure.

also nice strat adjustments by Henrik (as always) and congrats on the completion (goes to Wouter too)

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« Reply #1860 on: November 03, 2014, 01:26:01 pm »
that's why also locally recording via dvd/vhs is super important. Gotta minimize the chance of getting screwed  :(

lets hope for sub 425!
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« Reply #1861 on: November 03, 2014, 07:40:55 pm »
Improvement on Streets, awesome!!

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« Reply #1862 on: November 09, 2014, 05:03:49 pm »
Streets DLTK 4:27


i will definitely come back to this level in the future 
« Last Edit: November 09, 2014, 06:35:10 pm by entity of light »

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« Reply #1863 on: November 09, 2014, 05:04:45 pm »
Congrats!

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« Reply #1864 on: November 09, 2014, 05:06:51 pm »
That's insane! Congrats!
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« Reply #1865 on: November 09, 2014, 05:11:20 pm »
flicker king of da streets  :pimp: :pimp: :pimp:
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« Reply #1866 on: November 09, 2014, 08:19:39 pm »
Amazing stuff flicker
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nothin' soothes me more than a groove that boosts me
nothin' boosts me more, or suits me beautifully
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« Reply #1867 on: November 10, 2014, 01:20:01 am »
Great job Flicker! Awesome to see the early cycle used.

Did you manage to improve the consistency with the strat?

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« Reply #1868 on: November 10, 2014, 01:34:47 am »
Congrats buddy!  :pimp: Crazy improvement on Streets (D)LTK lately in general.

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« Reply #1869 on: November 10, 2014, 01:51:37 am »
Did you manage to improve the consistency with the strat?

yes, thanks again for your help. didnt take too long once i stopped losing runs to spawn guards :)

some time losses i'm not too happy about, all RNG though. house guard took a few tries to freeze, bad KF7s on the right at the end..


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« Reply #1870 on: November 10, 2014, 01:00:10 pm »
Great work :)

How did you make it more consistent?
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« Reply #1871 on: November 10, 2014, 06:28:54 pm »
cool look at that clutchness, streets 4:27 dltk :o

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« Reply #1872 on: November 12, 2014, 09:10:46 am »
more first completions  :v

Bunker 1 DLTK 5:03
Facility DLTK 3:16
Frigate DLTK 4:26
Statue DLTK 2:53
Egypt DLTK 1:50

bunker and facility are really fun, will look to improve those at some point.

not too sure how far i'm willing to go with DLTK completions. 18/20 seems like a real possibility, but i dont think i would ever be willing to take on train or silo.

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« Reply #1873 on: November 12, 2014, 10:20:23 am »


Well it's not every day you see this ^

Nice job man! Moar completions!  :v

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« Reply #1874 on: November 15, 2014, 01:34:50 pm »
Also congrats on the B2 completion, 80 slaps per guard would require the godliest of patience.

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« Reply #1875 on: November 15, 2014, 08:57:45 pm »
Awesome work, Flicker! Keep it up!

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« Reply #1876 on: November 17, 2014, 12:46:08 am »
Dam DLTK 10:35

- massive improvement over first completion (over 4 minutes!)
- untied second place by 2:40
- cool strats: tower guard skip, crouching box strat, box kill on tunnel guard


edit:
Cradle DLTK 3:14
Top 5 in points!

« Last Edit: November 17, 2014, 04:00:38 pm by kingside castle »

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« Reply #1877 on: November 19, 2014, 02:18:48 am »
Insane Archives Luck
Insane Archives Luck 2

Definitely a lot of UWR potential still. :v

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« Reply #1878 on: November 20, 2014, 08:32:21 pm »
Depot DLTK 7:46

- slow strat
- fastest ever slow strat
- standing where i did in the mainframe room causes 5 guards to spawn at the roller door

« Last Edit: November 20, 2014, 10:51:56 pm by kingside castle »

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Re: Post new Dark LTK Strats, PRs, and WRs here.
« Reply #1879 on: November 22, 2014, 03:10:26 am »

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« Reply #1880 on: November 24, 2014, 02:59:50 am »
I've figured out a lot of new, small strats for Train which saves ammo and makes the level a fair bit easier. Understanding the wonky guard AI on this level is very helpful. I'll post about it more once I get a completion. :v

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« Reply #1881 on: November 24, 2014, 03:15:06 am »
Eric :v Liikala

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« Reply #1882 on: November 26, 2014, 01:02:07 am »
Insane Train Luck

Unfortunately, I don't think this is viable since the boxes protecting you go kablooie pretty fast.

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« Reply #1883 on: November 26, 2014, 01:27:55 am »
WOW! That looks sick. Truly a lot of luck in that, I'd imagine.

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« Reply #1884 on: November 26, 2014, 07:25:08 pm »
I'm not sure when, if ever, I'm going to complete Train, so I'll just share my findings now.

For the first car when going for box kills, after you remove the BA from a guard, he may be outside the explosion range from the box. At the small cost of one bullet, firing by them to alert them and put them into their ready stance moves them forward enough to guarantee a box kill, so long as you're hitting far enough into the box.

For the front of the second car, by doing crouching quick leans, you can get the guards to blow up several of the boxes, often box killing the left unarmored guard, and on rare occasions killing the unarmored guard on the right too. You can also slowly drag the BA guards to the front with enough quick leans, and even get them in between the doors, allowing for easier kills. Slapping them is also possible, but somewhat dangerous as they can't be stunned until their BA is removed. This strategy is quite a bit slower than 1.1, but it's somewhat more reliable, but also very stressful to do.

At the back of the second car, if you drag the one BA guard to the silver crates, you can move around them in crouch to also drag him into the corner completely safely. Also, while it's possible to run behind him to do the frozen guard glitch, it's actually possible to crouch at the far left, and run in crouch to the side of the boxes to freeze him. This allows you to freeze the guard with no danger of getting hit. The only issue is this trick only works on NTSC, and not on PAL or JAP.

All of the unarmored guards that run freely around in the third and fourth cars have some interesting AI. They get lost very easily and will at random times continue to run towards you. When they reach you and they're still in a running animation, they won't stop until they're done, take longer still to react, and then finally fire at you, making them very easy guards. The other thing is that every time they see you (via quick leans, etc), they will take a long moment to react, then run a few steps towards you and stop again. You can use this to zone them well, and to safely control and drag them to the glass rooms in the cars.

There are two guards in the third car that are less likely to approach and will generally stay in place, but the front one can be lured to the silver crates like the other five regular guards, and the back one can just be slapped after forcing a firing animation, or waiting for them to crouch. He always starts far back in the third car, but will almost always do a running animation when he first sees you, bringing him to a safe distance to run and slap him.

The four black BA guards in the fifth car that can be randomly placed can be AI abused too. They normally stay in place and rarely leave their rooms. The reason for this is while they can randomly run around, they can't seem to open doors. So if you open doors while backing away and taking cover, you can slowly drag them to the fourth car where all the glass rooms are to take them out safely. They can even be slapped if you're willing to be risky to conserve ammo.

One other small thing that is common knowledge, but not used in any of the three completions is you can be seen by Trevelyan without activating the rest of the scripts, so long as you don't enter the room and trigger "That's close enough!". This makes shooting the locks from the outside much easier, and you can easily leave as few as seven left when you enter. The minimum is six, though the last lock is difficult to get from the outside, and probably not worth trying for.

To be honest, I'm somewhat of a weak player when I don't have consistent strats and can't flow chart my way through a level. I really need a better strategy for the front of the second car before I'm willing to try some more. I've already pumped 20+ hours in and have gotten nowhere, lol.

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« Reply #1885 on: November 26, 2014, 08:10:16 pm »
Don't give up! :)
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« Reply #1886 on: December 20, 2014, 06:45:16 pm »
OK, so I thought I should try some LTK tonight. Turns out I enjoyed it a lot. Got four Dam completions, first was 3:15, then 2:48, 2:53 and last one 2:44. Definitely gonna try some more, perhaps Facility next. Which stages did you guys start with?


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« Reply #1887 on: December 20, 2014, 08:06:22 pm »
Very nice time! I've seen you get quite a lot of points on the more difficult levels in normal mode, so it'll be interesting to see how you'll do in LTK!

LTK level order doesn't matter too much, but if you want to complete the easier ones first, I'd suggest Surface 2, Facility, Archives, Egypt (B then A objectives), Cradle, and Frigate. For DLTK, Surface 2, Archives, and Facility are the easiest levels, and the rest are quite a bit more difficult.

There's also a separate thread for LTK and DLTK times on the forum. :v

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« Reply #1888 on: December 20, 2014, 08:22:35 pm »
Thanks. It's an interesting setting for sure, gonna play around a bit in the future. Alright, so those are the easier ones... makes sense. Pretty tempted to try Facility, the Bunker levels and Caverns. Have you played for long? I see your time table is just about full and your rank is pretty damn great, hehe.

Also, good that you pointed that out, I'm not so familiar around these boards. Maybe someone with power can move these posts?

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« Reply #1889 on: February 09, 2015, 01:20:57 pm »
finally after 100 hours of combined playing...

Aztec DLTK 24:01

about f****** time

The hardest DLTK level I have beaten to date (even though I know many will disagree).

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« Reply #1890 on: February 09, 2015, 04:58:45 pm »
Congrats Axel! Pretty good time too (I'm assuming non-glass?). Can't wait to see the vid!

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« Reply #1891 on: February 09, 2015, 08:04:49 pm »
It was with glass... :kappa: :-X

spent like an eternity with the laser guards.

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« Reply #1892 on: February 17, 2015, 08:33:01 pm »































.....m8.  :v

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« Reply #1893 on: February 17, 2015, 09:27:08 pm »
Sorry, I put the vid up now.




















It was on my youtube this whole time
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« Reply #1894 on: February 17, 2015, 10:00:37 pm »
Ohhhhhh dayum. Now I can watch. Yaaaay.  :smokin:

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« Reply #1895 on: February 28, 2015, 07:01:02 pm »
Streets DLTK 4:46


Mediocre run. The grenade at the start only killed three of the six guards so I couldn't do the quickest strat for the start. I had the slowest set up of RL/KF7 guards at both barricades so that lost me time and then the ending was really bad. I saved some time by using a riskier strat for the GL room and skipping the first body armour.




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« Reply #1896 on: February 28, 2015, 07:37:57 pm »
Nice job, Bozon! Shame about the bad luck, but that's the nature of the level. Going to keep pushing your time? :)

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« Reply #1897 on: March 01, 2015, 06:52:57 am »
Nice job, Bozon! Shame about the bad luck, but that's the nature of the level. Going to keep pushing your time? :)

I'm not going for lower yet even though I have had some WR speed practice runs.

I might start practicing for a full 20 level LTK speedrun while I have more time than usual to play. If you, Kyle or anyone else is interested in a race then let me know and we can try and arrange a day in the next few weeks to do one.


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« Reply #1898 on: April 01, 2015, 09:45:01 pm »
Nice times, Listener! Keep it up!

You forgot to show the stats on your Runway DLTK, but it can get a pass, just try not to forget for any other runs. :v

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« Reply #1899 on: April 06, 2015, 07:03:15 pm »
Nice times, Listener! Keep it up!

You forgot to show the stats on your Runway DLTK, but it can get a pass, just try not to forget for any other runs. :v
Yeah, I just noticed that. Sorry :(I didn't realize until you mentioned. I also showed the stats for LTK of that same level too quick. But I'm an honest guy. :)

 I decided to join the rankings here since I realized I can do all LTK levels and more than half of DLTK. Right, now I'm in the top 20 which makes me proud.