Post New PR's and Discussion Here!

[deletedprofile.u]

https://i.imgur.com/sQ2OfcQ.mp4

When you're trying to hang up but Grandma keeps talking.

[my man]

I just got a sick untied.

Runway DLTK+ER+FA 0:52

[Lark]

Train Agent - 1:10

[deletedprofile.u]

Epic, Randy!! That was a solid high 44. Like .8 or something. Stuckage on the Trev stairs too but your labs are COOKED, especially that 3rd mine area.

[flukey lukey]

good run Randy.

If you really want 43 you could get it in under 50 hours I think if you really focus on improving your starts, this run had a strong 2nd half - enough for 43

[Discombobulator]

Thanks guys. The latter half of that run went so well because I felt no pressure after mucking up the door before the keycard guard. I came back into the realization that it was pace right when I threw the third mine. I immediately went shaky and clipped the stairs after the door. Now that I have 44 though, I can at least justify going for sick starts. I kind of copped out a bit knowing I had room for error for 44, so maybe I'll give 43 a shot if my control stick doesn't give out.

[deletedprofile.u]

omg those labs.

That would've been 45, Vitor! 

[deletedprofile.u]

Leaving this here as a reminder for Goose. Don't forget about your Cradle SA/00a as well m8

[Wouter Jansen]

linked videos should be original audio anyway, music vids can be added in description.

from proof policy, this should have an update:

"Quality

Effective January 1, 2014, all significant records must have proof in the form of an acceptable captured video, with in game sound."

it doesn't make clear atm that it should be pure original footage. any added music on top of in game sound is not ok for proof.

[deletedprofile.u]

linked videos should be original audio anyway, music vids can be added in description.

from proof policy, this should have an update:

"Quality

Effective January 1, 2014, all significant records must have proof in the form of an acceptable captured video, with in game sound."

it doesn't make clear atm that it should be pure original footage. any added music on top of in game sound is not ok for proof.

This is your opinion and is subjective. The proof policy allows for creative freedom whilst still maintaining a margin of quality.

Meaning Ace's Silo 1:08, as a significant record, IS applicable and passable. As an alternative example, if Dam 53 was still a significant record, my own video would also count as proof, same goes for dsx's B1 SA 24 (if it were also counted as a significant record). Of course for untieds and WRs we PREFER to have the raw footage for the most clarity (i.e. Jimmy Bauer / Boss-style), these examples still technically pass for proof.


However, IF added music REPLACES in-game sound purely (muting in-game sound in place for music audio), then yes you're correct and that is NOT okay for proof.

In-game sound being audible (within reason) and having music on top is completely fine. We can clarify that in the revision though 

[N E S Q U I K B O Y Z]

sicc new run https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPfSyJDRikM 

[vitorr]

mate my labs are awful on Agent, working on that 

[Lark]

Train SA 1:37

[Wouter Jansen]

Music on top is not fine. You don't own that music and didn't create that music. You're not paying royalties for it either. It can in fact be illegal, and you say we support that?

[SGT RAGEQUIT]

Music on top is not fine. You don't own that music and didn't create that music. You're not paying royalties for it either. It can in fact be illegal, and you say we support that?

Don't be such a killjoy, Kapap wouldn't been half as good without the music choices

[flukey lukey]

I think for UWRs having a raw version is a good idea

otherwise i'm all for music videos

- as for which links from the rankings - this is up to the player and should allow creative videos i m o

[flicker]

I think for UWRs having a raw version is a good idea

otherwise i'm all for music videos

- as for which links from the rankings - this is up to the player and should allow creative videos i m o

[deletedprofile.u]

I'm sorry Wouter but I'm loling at your post

[Lark]

Train 00A - 2:02

[Wouter Jansen]

if the goal is to sustain the videos, then the issues I mentioned do matter for the rankings. Kappa is not ranked. saying words like killjoy and lolling are easy, where's the professionalism and care gone to?

[DYM]

It's funny because Wouter forms a completely healthy argument, and the proof moderator responds with

I'm sorry Wouter but I'm loling at your post

Also ragequit kapap is a completely separate video made for fun. Isn't even ranked. Has nothing to do with this. The significant times themselves have been uploaded separately with raw game-audio only, so I'm not sure what your point is.

[Lark]

Raw game sound should always be included in the primary video. Music vids always get flagged for copyrights and are often muted. If you want to make a music edition, fine, but the proof policy should make raw vids mandatory. I completely agree with Wouter and Ace.

[Grav]

Music vids always get flagged for copyrights and are often muted

problem solved

https://forums.the-elite.net/index.php?topic=21788.0

[deletedprofile.u]

Music vids always get flagged for copyrights and are often muted

problem solved

https://forums.the-elite.net/index.php?topic=21788.0

Along with this.

I was laughing at Wouter's previous post because the content is outlandish and outrageous.

Music on top is not fine. You don't own that music and didn't create that music. You're not paying royalties for it either. It can in fact be illegal, and you say we support that?

YouTube is literally FILLED with references, clips, audio snippets, full songs, pieces of songs, songs matched together, however you want to slice it, without the permission of the artist, and are unmuted. I'm not saying I advocate the thieving of rights of other's songs to use as your own, Wouter, I'm saying that artistic freedom is perfectly acceptable on our rankings, as they've always been. By saying this, I'm not saying that change is a bad thing and that no change is good change. What I'm saying is that the examples I provided that would be acceptable as proof is a-okay. Obviously in certain situations, some runs may be scrutinised more intensely such as a Dam Agent 0:52 or an Archives 0:15, which we would ask for a raw footage video be linked as well. However, I'm all for linking music videos on the rankings (while using our current method of videos hosted by YouTube) and also having a link to the raw footage in the PR description, OR vice-versa.

You can't tell me I'm being unprofessional by laughing at your insane comments such as "You're not paying royalties! You advocate for MUSIC THIEVERY!!1!", give me a break. Look at yourself before you say things to other people and ask "Am I a hypocrite?".

ANYWAYS, as Grav has stated, video hosting on the-elite.net IS the primary goal here and we need to set up a system that can work so we don't have to depend on YouTube, among various other reasons.

Also, to respond to the portion of your post where you point out that we didn't create or own the music, all it takes is one little comment in the description of your YouTube video stating that you don't own the music and didn't create it. Problem solved. 

Finally, saying that care isn't present is entirely untruthful. Professionalism is met with professionalism, and silly comments may be met with additional silly comments. Sustaining videos is easy if we come up with multiple solutions, which we've done. Implementing video hosting will make a load of tasks easier for everyone, and will also allow for MORE creative freedom is wanted by individual players.

Wouter, were you saying that music in videos is a terrible thing back in, say, 2006 when people were already making them? Why the change of heart suddenly, if not?

Ace, I also find it a bit strange (yet positive) that you've had a sudden change of heart with raw footage and the possible concerns of not having it are when you JUST had a raw footage video linked to your Silo 1:08 this morning. 

[deletedprofile.u]

OSCAR.   

[Oskillz]

Thats me 

[Wouter Jansen]

I have always been a purist with proof. And there are more reasons that I haven't mentioned here yet but I bring them up here and there. not that anything gets done because I used to be proof mod but got kicked off so I only keep giving the vision I think is the best to have for all involved when this topic comes up. I would have been enforcing much better standards all the time if I hadn't been kicked off.

Maybe the most important reason for me is that anybody looking for world records for a game will most likely want it to be just as it is supposed to be and not with some specific music. What is it supposed to be? You may believe that forcing music on the watcher by default will appease most of the watchers. Add to that that the choice of music is super random because there are tons of possibilities. So by definition the odds of watchers wanting pure game footage and audio only (few options) far outweighs any watchers wanting footage mixed with guns' n roses music, or even less specific, rock music (many options thus worse odds). That's why pure footage should be default link and anything extra should go in the description.

This does not take away any freedom to be creative in other versions.

Also, to respond to the portion of your post where you point out that we didn't create or own the music, all it takes is one little comment in the description of your YouTube video stating that you don't own the music and didn't create it. Problem solved.

That does not change anything. It may pass on YT. It's about the spirit of it being exactly what it is supposed to be and to be what you created by speedrunning, no personal tastes added because that's personal and not for the masses. Pure, raw.

[deletedprofile.u]

I have always been a purist with proof. And there are more reasons that I haven't mentioned here yet but I bring them up here and there. not that anything gets done because I used to be proof mod but got kicked off so I only keep giving the vision I think is the best to have for all involved when this topic comes up. I would have been enforcing much better standards all the time if I hadn't been kicked off.

Maybe the most important reason for me is that anybody looking for world records for a game will most likely want it to be just as it is supposed to be and not with some specific music. What is it supposed to be? You may believe that forcing music on the watcher by default will appease most of the watchers. Add to that that the choice of music is super random because there are tons of possibilities. So by definition the odds of watchers wanting pure game footage and audio only (few options) far outweighs any watchers wanting footage mixed with guns' n roses music, or even less specific, rock music (many options thus worse odds). That's why pure footage should be default link and anything extra should go in the description.

This does not take away any freedom to be creative in other versions.

Also, to respond to the portion of your post where you point out that we didn't create or own the music, all it takes is one little comment in the description of your YouTube video stating that you don't own the music and didn't create it. Problem solved.

That does not change anything. It may pass on YT. It's about the spirit of it being exactly what it is supposed to be and to be what you created by speedrunning, no personal tastes added because that's personal and not for the masses. Pure, raw.

If you want to get into semantics, then the speedrun ITSELF is also filled with personal tastes. Every player plays slightly differently and in their own style. I'm not saying we HAVE to force music on people. I'm saying that having a music vid with in-game sound is entirely passable. Having the raw footage linked in the description is fine as well because people (those purists like yourself who would only want game footage with no layering on top) can find what they want there too, if they so choose. But if it comes down to if in-game sound is reasonable and there's music on top, the run is still legitimate. The player achieved the time. All game sounds can be heard. There isn't anything MISSING from it. If it was a David Clemens-style Bunker 2 SA 0:44 kind of video, it would NOT be passable now because there IS no in-game audio.

I'm sorry you got booted and I don't know much of the community history on proof moderators beyond Scott, but my job is to assess what can be passable for the rankings and contribute ideas where I can to further the ease of the process. I've given some good ideas along the chain (I'd like to think) and continue to the best of my ability to make the call on what's acceptable, and where fair warning can be justified to make further actions be negated if need be (i.e shitty cropping on some Ace runs, so we then revise the policy, etc).

I like that you have a clear-cut distinction on your taste for speedruns. You like the Bauers and Bosses of the community and that's great, but we also need to allow for people to have their own tastes incorporated if they so choose while also adhering to the policies at hand.

[DYM]

"Ace, I also find it a bit strange (yet positive) that you've had a sudden change of heart with raw footage and the possible concerns of not having it are when you JUST had a raw footage video linked to your Silo 1:08 this morning."

Well the raw 1:08 has been there since I achieved the 1:08. The reason there is a raw version in the first place is because I advocate having raw videos for significant times. I was just unaware of an upload button on YouTube at that time too lazy to upload it at that time and later forgot. I do not care which version is on the rankings personally, as long as the raw video exists.

Alec, I don't disagree with you but I think a raw version is important and should be pushed for if not made compulsory, especially if it's a significant time like Dam 0:52. When you say music on top of raw video is alright, you also need to consider things like what the audio balance is with the music, end-screen audio, etc. Then there could be other issues such as the audio being muted entirely, and none of this is mentioned in the proof policy, the vaguest piece of crap ever written. What about some of Clemens' run where his commentary overwhelms the game-audio?

If these points aren't made clear, I am intentionally going to achieve an insane time in the future with a terrible music/game audio balance in the same way I exposed the proof policy with Control 4:04, Dam 1:16, Aztec SA 1:30, etc. because that is unfortunately, the only way people start to adress these issues.

[deletedprofile.u]

Alec, I don't disagree with you but I think a raw version is important and should be pushed for if not made compulsory, especially if it's a significant time like Dam 0:52. When you say music on top of raw video is alright, you also need to consider things like what the audio balance is with the music, end-screen audio, etc. Then there could be other issues such as the audio being muted entirely, and none of this is mentioned in the proof policy, the vaguest piece of crap ever written. What about some of Clemens' run where his commentary overwhelms the game-audio?

If these points aren't made clear, I am intentionally going to achieve an insane time in the future with a terrible music/game audio balance in the same way I exposed the proof policy with Control 4:04, Dam 1:16, Aztec SA 1:30, etc. because that is unfortunately, the only way people start to address these issues.

While Clemens has a few videos that are annoying as far as quality goes, the audio is still reasonable if you turn your speakers up a bit. What would be unreasonable would be if you had to CRANK them. This is why I previously stated that the audio mix should be REASONABLE.

Exposing the proof policy? I think you forgot about this:
"The community's public opinion as well as the elite council's decision will determine whether or not a video of a record is acceptable quality."

So try and do it again and see what happens. If it's unacceptable as determined by myself and some others then you'll need to reupload in acceptable quality. The proof policy IS getting a revision and it hasn't been put through yet, easy as that.

You know what acceptable proof looks like. You're only making it worse for yourself in the end.

[DYM]

Is this reasonable? What about this? I have to crank everything up to hear the game audio at a reasonable level. What about crap like this? What if that had music in it? Alec, the point is we should strive for raw videos as well for other potential issues that may arise in the future. This itself is a non-issue when 99% of music videos are derived from raw videos themselves.

[deletedprofile.u]

Is this reasonable? What about this? I have to crank everything up to hear the game audio at a reasonable level. What about crap like this? What if that had music in it? Alec, the point is we should strive for raw videos as well for other potential issues that may arise in the future. This itself is a non-issue when 99% of music videos are derived from raw videos themselves.

Troll examples but all are passable as they are. If either of David's videos had music on top of them they would no longer be passable and would require a raw video with said video. Marc's is shitty quality audio but the audio is still there.

It's a non-issue so why are you continuing to argue it? People typically provide their raw footage anyway so if there is an instance where one would be required all that happens is the player gets asked for it and if they don't provide it by the end of the proof call it gets backrolled like usual.

[DYM]

Alec, you're a good guy.

[deletedprofile.u]

<3

[wishiwasfamous]

Cavs A 103

Don't know how you guys got 101. You must be cheating...

[my man]

Archives Agent 0:17

Was not expecting this at all. Happened 15 mins into session. Approx. 6 hours spent over the course of 3 days to get this time. Super pumped.

[Grav]

congrats to jono for the first sub 1:10 B1 00A since 2015 lol

[sweetener]

lol thxxxxx

[Mystyc Cheez]

I got a cool run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGVInMzOTXo

[DYM]

Truly a shocking fact. B1 00A is so underplayed and for some reason the level is made out to be a lot worse than it actually is. I am amazed 1:07 is worth 89 points.

[Craig]

Streets SA 1:55
Streets 00 1:55

Originally got SA last Saturday but Amarec messed up the recording.

[DYM]

Yeah AmaRec is complete shit. Reminder: https://forums.the-elite.net/index.php?topic=21809.0

[AZ]

Intense rivalry between Axel A and wiff!

[DYM]

It's like we're back in 2006. Crazy.

[Axel A]

Intense rivalry between Axel A and wiff!

Our rivalry goes back to early 2004 (which was called the "noob rivalry" back then, which also included Alex A, Emile, and Durk if I remember correctly). When I quit playing I used to joke that when wiff passes me I'll start playing again But I honestly didn't know wiff was playing when I started playing again last month. The battle continues!

-Axel A

[typosaur]

I'm starting to feel there's a real chance Axel might catch up with me on the rankings, at which point I will have to pick up the controller again. BTW, Axel, if you plan to continue playing it would be great if you set up a stream.

[Lark]

Bunker 2 SA - 0:54

[deletedprofile.u]

Damn Tyler that 44 looked gorgeous.

I think the beginning and the Trev door were a bit slow for 43 but this looked like a mid 44.

[SGT RAGEQUIT]

thanks alec, i knew i had to be close when i had about as many bad trev 45s as good trev
i'm glad it didn't take too long - 45 from 46 probably took me longer

[Benobot99]

Tearing apart my shitty times on Jungle and maybe some others. Just brought my Jungle 00A from 9:06 to 4:34 in 2 attempts and 3:18 SA to 2:46 in a few attempts. Trying to improve my GE Time rank because that's what I'm interested in tbh.  This might be the first time I've had fun playing Jungle, lmao.