Author Topic: Post New Vids Here! (Read 262541 times)

Lovins · « **Reply #1600 on:** November 04, 2009, 12:59:00 am »

For those who don't check GC, some good GE multi vids I just put up:

http://perfectdarkelite.yuku.com?topic=14974

RWG · « **Reply #1601 on:** November 04, 2009, 02:10:00 am »

Quote from: Matt Cook1

Has anyone tried opening the first door on aztec then going back and killing the guy for a gun? Best for SA. Has this been dismissed already?

SWEET strat idea. Post it somewhere else so Clemens and Vinyl King can see it.

Time was untied when set. · « **Reply #1602 on:** November 04, 2009, 02:24:00 am »

I think we should make an archives where we put every single suggestion of that strat in it to see how many people are actually dumb enough to suggest that strat.

Scrambler Fanny · « **Reply #1603 on:** November 04, 2009, 03:05:00 am »

david, are you a douche on purpose?

RWG · « **Reply #1604 on:** November 04, 2009, 04:51:00 am »

No Shawn, it's a Minnesota thing.

Red Bull · « **Reply #1605 on:** November 04, 2009, 05:16:00 am »

It's still a nice idea, and there aren't too many people nowadays coming up with new ideas. And reactions like those of Clemens aren't really stimulating it either..

Darth Vader · « **Reply #1606 on:** November 04, 2009, 05:25:00 am »

Omg i have to agree with Dave, the strat sucks and it loses time. But nice suggestion Mr. Cook1

Time was untied when set. · « **Reply #1607 on:** November 04, 2009, 05:59:00 am »

I reacted that way because Spider Waffle recently suggested that same strat and we said that it would be too slow and also you'll get shot going back for the ammo. The thing is this:

- This strat has been suggested by pretty much everyone who has watched an Aztec run
- It is pretty obvious it is slower
- Not really a new strat even if it were to help a little, since it is extremely obvious

I mean there's just no new strats for GE that will be found by people just watching runs. Just assume everything is known and has been tried.

Illu · « **Reply #1608 on:** November 04, 2009, 06:07:00 am »

-------delete this post ahh-------

PerfectTaste · « **Reply #1609 on:** November 04, 2009, 06:23:00 am »

When ever I see Matt post concerning strategies they're often exceptionally innovative, being that he is one of the true strategist around the-elite. Experienced players may disregard suggestions like the one mentioned, but to neglect and calling it dumb is just the thoroughly incorrect way to approach it. Instead if we could appreciate the original ideas given and maybe strive to develop them, even if they aren't an advantage time wise.

Time was untied when set. · « **Reply #1610 on:** November 04, 2009, 06:31:00 am »

Sigh, just leave that to the people who spend ages speedrunning the games. I guarantee if a strat is found it will be by people like me, Bryan, Ryan, Marc etc. Not some guy sitting there watching vids. Sorry I dont mean to offend anybody, and if I did so I apologize. However it is incredibly redundant and annoying to me when people suggest strats that have been tried a thousand times or that are not really going to save any time.

Also, your biased posts aren't helping. I don't really know exactly what your never ending problem is with me, but if you are going to try and post insight on a matter at least not be a total asskissing fagtwat.

Red Bull · « **Reply #1611 on:** November 04, 2009, 06:34:00 am »

That Spiderwaffle came up with the Infiltration bug throw. He hardly/never speedruns.

Wyst3r · « **Reply #1612 on:** November 04, 2009, 07:44:00 am »

Umm, saying that you need to be a very active like top 3 player to develop a strat is incorrect. top 3 rarely contribute with a major strat(only minor timesavers). Let's take a look at the big ones throughout the years:

Aztec - Bryan, not even member at the time?
Statue -Trent, no idea where he was ranked but not in top 3 anyway
Streets strafe into wall thing - Bryan, guess descently ranked by then.
Caverns 00A - Morris, top 15 somewhere.
Train - Me, prolly top 10 at the time.
Bunker 2 00A - Me, not even top 10 i think and more importantly, found this WHILE SITTING HOME WATCHING VIDS.

Has anyone been a near-champion player at the time? Not really.

Besides, Matt is one of the best strat developers around so you don't need to insult his ideas, he's developed like what, a million strategies for PD?

Time was untied when set. · « **Reply #1613 on:** November 04, 2009, 07:46:00 am »

I'm talking about present time.

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #1614 on:** November 04, 2009, 08:07:00 am »

well you're more likely to spend most your time speedrunning instead of thinking of better strats, since it's obv not the same thing. do you know how lookdown came about? even something simple and seemingly obvious like that was introduced by some total unknown noob after we had already been speedrunning for many years, which just goes to show that when you're busy doing your speedrunning, you're not likely to be thinking as inventively and are more occupied with improving your times solely.

Darth Vader · « **Reply #1615 on:** November 04, 2009, 08:51:00 am »

Look man the fact is just that the strat was useless and he probably doesn't take it offensive as Sterling does. I mean what's the big deal?

Darth Vader · « **Reply #1616 on:** November 04, 2009, 08:51:00 am »

Look man the fact is just that the strat was useless and he probably doesn't take it offensive as Sterling does. I mean what's the big deal?

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #1617 on:** November 04, 2009, 09:10:00 am »

is it useless the same way as you are useless, having no untieds?

PerfectTaste · « **Reply #1618 on:** November 04, 2009, 10:55:00 am »

Quote from: david n clemens

Also, your biased posts aren't helping. I don't really know exactly what your never ending problem is with me, but if you are going to try and post
insight on a matter at least not be a total asskissing fagtwat.

It doesn't hurt to be nice for a change. Calling people names is really mature!

Time was untied when set. · « **Reply #1619 on:** November 04, 2009, 03:11:00 pm »

Well Wouter, these days innovations are just as good as strats. just finding any way to do stuff better or save time is hard to even do. And the only people who really find innovations these days are the ones who play for WRs, because that is the only time they are really needed. That is what I am trying to say.

Lovins · « **Reply #1620 on:** November 04, 2009, 03:17:00 pm »

That's why DLTK can be so fun these days since most levels can be immensely improved still with much better strats. You should play more Dave!

Time was untied when set. · « **Reply #1621 on:** November 04, 2009, 03:20:00 pm »

That is very true. I will probably come back to it sometime soon, just need to find a fun level, maybe S1 or something.

RWG · « **Reply #1622 on:** November 04, 2009, 03:22:00 pm »

Quote from: Henrik Norgren

Umm, saying that you need to be a very active like top 3 player to develop a strat is incorrect. top 3 rarely contribute with a major strat(only minor timesavers). Let's take a look at the big ones throughout the years:

Aztec - Bryan, not even member at the time?
Statue -Trent, no idea where he was ranked but not in top 3 anyway
Streets strafe into wall thing - Bryan, guess descently ranked by then.
Caverns 00A - Morris, top 15 somewhere.
Train - Me, prolly top 10 at the time.
Bunker 2 00A - Me, not even top 10 i think and more importantly, found this WHILE SITTING HOME WATCHING VIDS.

Has anyone been a near-champion player at the time? Not really.

Besides, Matt is one of the best strat developers around so you don't need to insult his ideas, he's developed like what, a million strategies for PD?

Silo 00A = Goose
Silo SA = Goose
Frigate SA = Goose
Frigate 00A = Goose
Jungle A = Goose

SUCKKKKKKKKKK ITTTTTTTTTTTTTT

and FWIW, all of Boss, Trent and Graham WERE in the top 3 at some point in their careers.

Lovins · « **Reply #1623 on:** November 04, 2009, 03:23:00 pm »

I'll probably regret saying this but I bet you could easily take Frigate below 2:00. I think my 2:09 is the best strat out there but it surely wasn't an optimal run.

Red Bull · « **Reply #1624 on:** November 04, 2009, 03:29:00 pm »

Hugo for example, is very innovative in a lot of ways (and is "only" top 20); totally changing the whole level and not some minor details. For example, skipping the snipers in the beginning of villa agent and kill them with a CMP later on. And really, it doesn't even cost much time, if any at all! This also means that it could've easily won a little time. So you never know. It's important to be open for these things, and to keep a climate of just putting in random ideas in the elite. Not shoot them down immediately!

Wyst3r · « **Reply #1625 on:** November 04, 2009, 04:56:00 pm »

I know about those Ryan

but Silo is just pick up an early keycard or something right? Strat invented like a million years ago. I wasn't sure if i should mention frigate since that is an ever changing level strat wise and many poeple contributed to finding the strats we use today. With jungle i assume you mean detonate mine later? That's more of a timer saver than a strat.

So anyway i was refering to major strat breakthroughs which is pretty rare i guess. I suppose some very minor time savers have a habit of coming from the poeple who speedrun the most however those things are usually very old and was thought up ages ago just no one has bothered to use it yet. Like the recent Aztec A thingy, i mean running through a room skipping guards? It's the oldest rule of speedrunning ever xD These things doesn't really classify as inventions.

Lovins · « **Reply #1626 on:** November 04, 2009, 05:05:00 pm »

Add my idea for the pause trick on B1 SA to the list of mini-time-savers, and I was only ranked 15th or something then. It got the WR to :21 from :23 pretty quick (although :22 was without the trick), and also got people to try to think of other places to use it, like Frigate SA, Silo 00, and basically any DLTK level that involves a pause.

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #1627 on:** November 04, 2009, 07:41:00 pm »

im sure 21 is doable without the trick

Lovins · « **Reply #1628 on:** November 04, 2009, 09:54:00 pm »

I'm not sure you could've possibly said anything more far from the point of this discussion.

RWG · « **Reply #1629 on:** November 04, 2009, 11:18:00 pm »

I'm not sure Wouter has made a single relevant post since 2004.

Darth Vader · « **Reply #1630 on:** November 04, 2009, 11:52:00 pm »

Quote from: Wouter Jansen

is it useless the same way as you are useless, having no untieds?

You and your fucking untieds Wouter. Like on your timespage where it says "All tied world records suck" Frigate Agent 0:23 sucks? That's just arrogant. You should be proud of the wr's you achieve. So i guess all wr's just suck if all of them where tied in the future? You're an idiot Wouter.

ToTh · « **Reply #1631 on:** November 04, 2009, 11:58:00 pm »

inkosy siempre jodiendo, anyway wouter isn't an idiot. he was an amazing player at the time. so respect to the "Old pd & ge player" .

Darth Vader · « **Reply #1632 on:** November 05, 2009, 12:39:00 am »

Sure he is, but that's not the point.

Lovins · « **Reply #1633 on:** November 05, 2009, 12:44:00 am »

Well the dumbest part of Wouter calling Marc useless for having no untieds is that he has long since lost all of his, and Marc will obviously achieve an untied(s) before Wouter ever gets one back (if at all).

Time was untied when set. · « **Reply #1634 on:** November 05, 2009, 01:05:00 am »

Not really sure how Ryan contributed to the Jungle or Frigate strats. Bryan was using a pause trick way the hell back when he got 103 and that strat is STILL superior to the one Rayan got 102 with. Also, the strat you conceived for 00A which Rayan got 108 with is about the same speed as the old 1:13 strat Dan figured out, with barely even better hostage odds, just slightly. And that strat isn't even used on the WR any more. I guess you mean the slap for Jungle, but anyway someone would have started doing that eventually and I thought Illu thought of it but maybe I am wrong.

Ryan does deserve a lot of credit for Silo though. I personally think the current 00A strat is about the best one out there.

But I think it is also important to not just focus on "strats" but the effect a player has on everyone else. What I mean is, when you find a way to do a strat consistently and provide vids showing how it is done, it will help everyone else who tries for those WRs or something. Surely people like Marc and Henning would not be getting Caverns 102/121 or Aztec 130/136/140 if it werent for people like me and Ace, even if on paper it seems like we didnt contribute a lot to strats. Pretty much every WR strat has been tweaked by us, so not giving us any credit is just ignorant. (speaking mostly towards Wouter here, in a friendly argument sort of way)

RWG · « **Reply #1635 on:** November 05, 2009, 01:40:00 am »

I made the Frigate SA/00A strat which are capable of getting the current WRs and everyone except you use...

I invented the "detonate later" trick on Jungle A which can be used on SA and is pretty much the best small timesaver ever made.

Illu made the slap.

Darth Vader · « **Reply #1636 on:** November 05, 2009, 01:54:00 am »

Sure i would've sucked if i didn't have the opportunity to watch vids. Before the elite my Dam and Caverns record was 1:02 and 1:12. The truth is just that top players like Dave and Ace should have much more credit because it's 100 times harder to actually perform the strat in the fastest way possible than make a strat.

Time was untied when set. · « **Reply #1637 on:** November 05, 2009, 01:56:00 am »

Ah yeah that trick is awesome, especially considering Ace didnt even use it on 53/55! Wow, that strat is essential.

Worlds-One · « **Reply #1638 on:** November 05, 2009, 01:56:00 am »

time savers that are useful are levels like aztec and depot. Aztec glass trick or even older wall jump. Depot shooting train. Those are out of the box time savers that are actually useful. I'm sure everyone has contributed in their own way. The breakout level will be control when someone figures out a time saver glitch...we just need to get wonn to play it for 100 hours...

Time was untied when set. · « **Reply #1639 on:** November 05, 2009, 02:07:00 am »

I mean seriously I just dont see what Ryan is trying to prove by taking credit for WR strats used on the mentioned levels. Fact is if he didnt exist the current WR strats would still be being used probably on Frigate considering they came to fluition before he even started speedrunning AFAIK. You dont see me taking credit for B2 A, when the fact is I single handedly made 24 one of the easiest WRs ever. The keyguard strat and glass door strat I used is basically the entire level, and I dont brag about it at all.

RWG · « **Reply #1640 on:** November 05, 2009, 02:25:00 am »

Quote from: david n clemens

Ah yeah that trick is awesome, especially considering Ace didnt even use it on 53/55! Wow, that strat is essential.

Ace is a fake. He has admitted this several times. Everyone in the elite knows that. The trick was used on Illu's 51/54/56 which are the rightful WRs.

I'm bragging because I am an attention whore... why all the hate all of a sudden dude? We were getting along great for a while.

Time was untied when set. · « **Reply #1641 on:** November 05, 2009, 02:38:00 am »

Sorry i didnt mean any hate I just tend to get a little argumentative about stuff of this nature. I know we were getting along better and I am happy about that, so I'll just stop discussing this stuff now.

Worlds-One · « **Reply #1642 on:** November 05, 2009, 04:06:00 am »

Never say never. It's the fighter in us that competes for excellence.

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #1643 on:** November 05, 2009, 05:09:00 am »

Quote from: RWhiteGoose

We were getting along great for a while.

Clemens, don't fall for this hypocrite. You have every right to treat him any way you wish all of a sudden, as he's not shy of it either.

RWG · « **Reply #1644 on:** November 05, 2009, 05:12:00 am »

Quote from: Wouter Jansen

Quote from: RWhiteGoose
We were getting along great for a while.
Clemens, don't fall for this hypocrite. You have every right to treat him any way you wish all of a sudden, as he's not shy of it either.

Clemens, don't fall for this hypocrite. You have every right to treat him any way you wish all of a sudden, as he's not shy of it either.

Darth Vader · « **Reply #1645 on:** November 05, 2009, 05:49:00 am »

Taka is the smartest person in the elite for knowing that it has no purpose to discuss in the elite, just post your pr's/wr's and get the hell outa here. Maybe i should get a little inspiration from him and do the same thing.

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #1646 on:** November 05, 2009, 08:26:00 am »

It might be an idea to come on aim sometime, so we don't have to spam the boards.

Scrambler Fanny · « **Reply #1647 on:** November 06, 2009, 02:26:00 am »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsUmVIkoxuk&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=BizarreTriangle#p/search/3/ihXhT5xvwRc

lol at both runs having flies on the screen!

david do you spread like bacon grease on your tv or what?

RWG · « **Reply #1648 on:** November 07, 2009, 03:51:00 pm »

I finally got my Dam 0:53 CAPTURED!

Music
Game Sound

Darth Vader · « **Reply #1649 on:** November 07, 2009, 05:05:00 pm »

Nice run, very nice quality. You used cinema for this run?

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