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« Reply #50 on: October 14, 2007, 07:04:00 am »
Luke's post is exactly how it can be if 22 and 43 is getting through unproved. One good way to get past this is if Dave doesnt want to reget those two wr's, couldnt he just get a vid of runway 23 and depot 44? Those are "higpointers" and I think he'll keep 2nd place. We get to see the best time so we can "know" he got those but doesnt go up on the rankings just. Then also all of his times thats up on the rankings is proved aswell. Ofc now ppl will go and say "blabla, rankings is not accurate", but hey, wtf, if he doesnt want to reget those two times then its his call, his own choise. By getting 23 and 44 doesnt hurt the accuracy that much anyways and a 44 run would be way better than a 43 fail, as Vitor said, many ppl can fail those.

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« Reply #51 on: October 14, 2007, 09:13:00 am »
David Clemens is sick, please give him his times

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« Reply #52 on: October 14, 2007, 09:27:00 am »
If I'd get some WR and failed to tape it I'd post it in the fail topic.

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« Reply #53 on: October 14, 2007, 11:36:00 am »
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Dubovski, go eat a dick. Anyway, I saw Clemens play first hand and for as much proof as he provided, is it really that bad just to accept his claimed times (22 included) just for accurate rankings? I'm really in no mood to post an argumentive message (13 straight hours of poker and it's 4:16 AM), and mainly I just hate Silent Thunder, but cut Clemens a break


I didn't know who this "Dubovski" fellow was that Jimbo seems so angry at.  I did a search and found a Dr. Pavel B. Dubovski.  He teaches college math, such as Calculus II, Discrete Mathematics, and the like.  Maybe Jimbo failed a test from this "Dubovski" and now he's upset?  

Also note the "mainly I just hate Silent Thunder" part of Jimbo's post.  He's blatently admitting that he's just posting to flame me.  Anything he has to say about Clemens doesn't much matter, the big point you want to get from his post is that he hates me...and that he wants to watch math teachers eat dick for some reason.

You used to be cool Jimbo.  What happened?

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« Reply #54 on: October 14, 2007, 12:39:00 pm »
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the big point you want to get from his post is that he hates me


im pretty sure we gathered that from Jimbo's post
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« Reply #55 on: October 14, 2007, 01:35:00 pm »
Didn't think Tim was a bigger smart ass than Wouter.
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« Reply #56 on: October 14, 2007, 02:49:00 pm »
YE:


I think liars should be treated with harsher standards.  They should prove their ability to thus point, and if need be, unproved times and WRs should be stripped.

However in my personal opinion, Clemens' stunt was a fair bit different than having a fake time actually hit the rankings.  I feel that he showed us he is capable of lying about a WR, but that he also doesn't have "what it takes" to allow that to affect the rankings.  He realized his mistake on his own, corrected it, and IMO that could be from guilt, etc.  There is a big difference between lying about a time on a message board, and affecting your rankings on the-elite.net.


Thus, I think he should be allowed some leniency on old times, and *from this point onward* be required to prove every time.  That is because..



My basic thought is that it is unfair to impose a rule on somebody, then BACK enforce it on old times.  It is nearly impossible for somebody to come up with old proof.  If they cannot prove something that you just don't trust (such as WRs), use judgement on what to roll back.  But his videos and meeting with Boss, IMO, validate him to atleast have the majority of his times remain.

With that said, I was unaware of the 22/43 situation, and TBH that is a complete judgement call.  I do feel the majority of Clemens times should be on the rankings right now though.








Anyway, to answer more generally, if somebody gets a fake time on the rankings, they should be required to prove every WR, and possibly every 90+ point time or whatever.  If they do that, I see no problem letting a few of their worse PRs slip unproved.  However, from that point on, every PR must be proved to be added to or remain on (depending on how bad the cheating was) the rankings.  If somebody is lying about multiple times for an extended period of time, and it wasn't just a mental/stress/stupid slip of a time, they should be required to prove every time before it ever hits the ranks.


If a player lies on a MESSAGE BOARD, I feel there is a large distinction to be made.  It's time to babysit, do a proof call, and backroll unproven WRs.


That backroll unproven WRs should *never* be a problem though, because I personally feel that every single WR from this point on should be proven within 2 weeks of hitting the rankings.

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« Reply #57 on: October 14, 2007, 03:31:00 pm »
not sure if you mean his 22 / 43 should be up on the rankings, but I'm quite sure the rules were intact when he got those times.. not that long ago. he's not some old veteran player with some crazy times gotten in 2000 or so. thus, applying the rules hasn't been exactly consistent, but that doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't be corrected now. imo every wr without proof should just disappear, that would be an easy enough solution and fair enough for most. I'd even argue this for the duels, since it can't be any trouble AT ALL to do them, so no reason not to do them.
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« Reply #58 on: October 14, 2007, 03:38:00 pm »
I meant that those should be treated at the discretion of the admins.


The proof policy was in place when he got those times, but it is not actively linked, enforced, discussed or anything, and plenty of violations of the proof policy have gone unnoticed.

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« Reply #59 on: October 14, 2007, 04:04:00 pm »
What if instead of Clemens posting "Bunker 2 SA 0:47" in the WR topic he posted "LOL IM GAY"?

In all seriousness, he would have been banned for 3 days and that is it.  It's a post in the WR topic which is not a legit claim of a WR.

"Bunker 2 SA 0:47" is also a post in the WR topic which was not a legit WR claim.  The-elite's policy on this is simply a three day message board ban.
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« Reply #60 on: October 14, 2007, 05:11:00 pm »
Followed by 4 more wrs posts on that crazy day.

5 x 3 = 15 days. He left the boards for 9 days. 9 peaceful days.;)

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« Reply #61 on: October 14, 2007, 06:03:00 pm »
Well, cant you just give me till like Jan 1 2008 to prove my times? If 43 and 22 wont make the rankings, then I guess i can at least try to dupe them, or maybe I will jsut get a 23 and 44 taped and call it a day. Like others said, I will still be 2nd, and I will know i got the times, so the only thing not showing it is the rankings and that isnt the most important thing to me I guess. However, me not being ranked 2nd is kinda ridiculous, so maybe the best option here is to give me a reasonable amount of time to prove my stuff, and I will do so. That way the rankings will be accurate, and I will have decent time to dupe stuff or beat it that isnt taped. Win win situation if you ask me. So...?
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« Reply #62 on: October 14, 2007, 10:31:00 pm »
lol

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« Reply #63 on: October 14, 2007, 11:12:00 pm »
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Well, cant you just give me till like Jan 1 2008 to prove my times? If 43 and 22 wont make the rankings, then I guess i can at least try to dupe them, or maybe I will jsut get a 23 and 44 taped and call it a day. Like others said, I will still be 2nd, and I will know i got the times, so the only thing not showing it is the rankings and that isnt the most important thing to me I guess. However, me not being ranked 2nd is kinda ridiculous, so maybe the best option here is to give me a reasonable amount of time to prove my stuff, and I will do so. That way the rankings will be accurate, and I will have decent time to dupe stuff or beat it that isnt taped. Win win situation if you ask me. So...?


Yeah =p

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« Reply #64 on: October 15, 2007, 12:25:00 am »
btw i never lied

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« Reply #65 on: October 15, 2007, 05:45:00 am »
Reading all these posts here just make me wheep. Seriously, I have never seen anything like this. That poor guy is going through all that trouble too prove most of his impressive times. Proving that he is a skilled player and capable of doing other good times as well.

If you really are so worried about him, just somebody go ahead and visit him and play with him a bit. Watch his cartridge etc. That should be enough too validate him.

Its alot less work than all this useless gibberish on these forums..

Clemens, keep up the good work.

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« Reply #66 on: October 15, 2007, 08:50:00 am »
They already met Eise.

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« Reply #67 on: October 15, 2007, 09:32:00 am »
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That poor guy


Dude... :p

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« Reply #68 on: October 15, 2007, 09:47:00 am »
"I didn't know who this "Dubovski" fellow was that Jimbo seems so angry at. I did a search and found a Dr. Pavel B. Dubovski. He teaches college math, such as Calculus II, Discrete Mathematics, and the like. Maybe Jimbo failed a test from this "Dubovski" and now he's upset?"


haha... that's not a comeback.

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« Reply #69 on: October 15, 2007, 11:12:00 am »
Oh.

Oh, I guess not...

I could try again, maybe.  
Jimbo:  He has a mother and she is overweight?

Is that good?

Perhaps I need to be more confident with it.
Jimbo's mother is a fatty.  

That seems a bit better.  Maybe I could add more.
Jimbo's mother is a fat fuckin' bitch.

Hey!  I think I'm getting better at this!  I'm gonna keep going.
Jimbo's mother is a fat fuckin' bitch who likes to sleep around.  In fact, you could call her a whore, but in actuality you cannot call her that because nobody will sleep around with her at all.  Why?  Because she is such a fat fuckin' bitch.

This is kind of fun!  I should do it more often.  I think it may help lead to a more healthy and fulfilling life.  One more and then I have to go back to doing something that is actually important.
Jimbo's mother is a fat fuckin' bitch who likes to sleep around.  In fact, you could call her a whore, but in actuality you cannot call her that because nobody will sleep around with her at all.  Why?  Because she is such a fat fuckin' bitch.  Matt Cook is an exception, however.  Gobble, gobble indeed.







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« Reply #70 on: October 15, 2007, 11:34:00 am »
:eek
:rollin

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« Reply #71 on: October 15, 2007, 11:43:00 am »
This is going nowhere. =\

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« Reply #72 on: October 15, 2007, 12:52:00 pm »
wth :rollin

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« Reply #73 on: October 15, 2007, 01:37:00 pm »
but yea proof yes important, vids fun to see, Clemens back on ranks now though, sure

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« Reply #74 on: October 15, 2007, 01:46:00 pm »
Topic says "close me"

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« Reply #75 on: October 15, 2007, 02:32:00 pm »
I don't think anything can really be solved here, I mean sure we all want accurate rankings, but a policy's a policy, and we can't make exceptions. I think most of us believe all of Clemens' times, and it's too bad that not having them all up affects the very top of the rankings so much, but...well I already said, can't make situational exceptions.