Something needs to be done

[D N Clemens]

Clearly Ace's runs are fake (his Silo 00A run had a plastique landed upside down) and I think everybody who knows anything about Dam knows that that run aint even close to 158 (maybe 159.9 at best). So then, how can we just let these times sit on the ranks? That vid comparison of henriks 104 and ace's train 103 back in the day clearly showed how this guy is getting insane times on worse runs, so obviously something is going on here. And Glen claimed 145 on aztec 00A but bryan tells me he mentioned that he has to get it again because the vid got messed up (onbiously a lie), so how can we just let people f'cuk around? There needs to be more strict proof requirements (for people who have the ability to capture right away). Me and Bryan have proven our stuff so i think we can be let off, but people who can capture really should prove the time right with the post or something.

I dunno, I just dont like the idea that i can work hard for some WR and then some guy with a fake run comes out and unties it.

[SupaOdin]

You really are a douche. I have provided countless videos of everything I get, 10 or so archives 16s, countless 55s and like every PR I get, constantly sending videos to people. And you have the @#%$ nerve to tell me I'm lying. I think its more a case of "I play so hard to get them and someone is better, how is it possible, no I won't believe someone is better than me". Grow up buddy.

[D N Clemens]

Nope. Haha, you wonder why I dont trust you, you created a fake user name and posted WR's you already had. And you wonder why i dont believe you got 145?

Ace;s 158 isnt bad in the basement i guess, but he spent all day on those 2 guards by first alarm, slow modem throw, bad lockshot and @#%$ second alarm. A great start is very important for 158, and for 158 you need his basement AND a great start, not just one or the other. You really need both, and he didnt have it on that run. I dont have a problem saying people are probably better at this game than me or something, but losing a WR when the run that untied it is seemingly fake is pretty annoying. I am sure I could get some 2 booster dam agent run and put 52 on the end screen somehow and pass it off as an untied. And thats just sad.

But really, why would you not provide proof right away for an insane time like 145?

[OO]

We don't need this @#%$...

[SupaOdin]

What, I posted the WR a few days ago and just because I haven't posted the vid you think I'm lying? You think 1:45 is insane? Main reason why I haven't posted the video yet is because I knew you would do this @#%$, it was obvious you were gonna do it. What happened to you man, you were cool up until you started to think you were top @#%$. You make this game boring.

[D N Clemens]

Oh we dont, but everybody thinks he is cheating? Why would we let times sit on the ranks when most people seem to think he is cheating? This is pathetic.

[Wouter Jansen]

eh I count maybe 3 people that think he cheats.

besides, GE is old. everyone stop faking new PRs. it's no fun. obviously you're a hypocrite Clemens, you're faking tons of dam 53s you don't even show fake vids for, you rather show nothing at all. or 20 s1 103s in a row stuff

there's close to none vids that have impressed me so far, most seem worse than my runs, I have plenty of smoother runs all around yet I get all of them beaten the @#%$ out. my times can't be obsoleted and reign supreme, everything else is fake ass donkey bananas.

[Henning Blom]

He created that fake username because he wanted to see how ppl would react to a newcomer that provides videoproof for his wr's and pr's. I think that was a good move because it proved that ppl are too suspicious, atleast when they said things like his runs were TAS'd and that Bond runned faster.

[D N Clemens]

Well yeah I mean that doesnt bother me so much really, but at least a few of these runs (dam 158 and silo 132) are just too suspicious. That silo 132 endscreen was very weird, too.

[Cervone]

To me the plastique looks like it finally lands on the bottom of one of the sides of the silver crate, which would make it complete. Also nobody seemed to care about the watch time thing I mentioned... so I'll repeat it again: the pause watch does indeed keep real time, and if you take note of the pauses throughout the run, you'll see the watch time progress naturally like a legit run.

For the record I agree that proof standards have slackened off from the sort of reforms that were attempted and from the norm of 2ish years ago. Though I think it's silly to direct it at specific players (ie Ace and Glen). For me the proof issue is less one about believing or disbelieving records, its about having video representation for the times that are on the ranks. And in my book, Boss only sending out tapes once a year is as big a problem proofwise as any thats out there. And obviously neither I nor anybody else doubts him, and I like Bryan more than anyone around here, so it's not a personal thing either.

[D N Clemens]

Well I agree with all that, I think Bryan should send way more often (he told me he was sending this week actually, but didnt know who to send to). I just think it would be nice if more tests were done on some of these vids because they are quite suspicious.

[Wouter Jansen]

I hold you liable and if you just went to live with the guy and never let him go out of sight, you wouldn't be causing all these problems here.

[SpiderWaffle]

Ace's dam was fast:

the double door opened very fast
the lock didn't lose more than .2
it had 7 good boosts, and not a single back boost.
the last two alarms where fast, plus the door warp.


Depending on how videos are captured and recorded they will play at different speeds, this can easily vary by plus or minus 1%

If you really want to show something significant you would need compare tons of runs by different authors with similar times and see how play out side by side.  I'm confident you would find that the play back speed varies by 1% most of the time.  If you find that the play back speed of all these vids doesn't vary at all then you would have something to back your claim.

[Cervone]

Testing is fine but in the US and most Western countries (who the hell knows about Pakistan) you're innocent until proven guilty. So the vid is legit until it can actually be proven false... and that means some sort of meaningful evidence not just "it looks suspicious". We'd need something like the ammo counts not lining up, or the watch times being off, etc. And that answers Wouter's point too, for there is really no practical way to prove innocence.

[mrsooreams]

I think Wouter was kidding, like most rational people he doesn't think Ace is cheating.

Also the sentence "Me and Bryan have proven our stuff so i think we can be let off" is the stupidest @#%$ since your last post, Clemens. Either you want a proper tightening of the rules or you're just on a witch hunt against players who are obviously getting better than you. Stop being a twunt and go get Dam 1:58.

[vitor]

Oh, the jealousy! This doesn't surprise me at all. For a guy who keeps saying that he could own any level, or saying how the game is unfair to him because he fails a 112 Silo SA etc, not a big deal to think a better player is fake, just because he doesn't post much on boards or give details of his run. Damn Clemens, grow up. You're a very talented player but really, you're a @#%$ when it comes to other matters.

[Cyberwrath87]

"Something needs to be done" - topic title

Here's how the problem can resolve itself: Shut up or go away.

Usually people who talk down on others and their claims about GE/PD aren't found within the Elite.

He's legit, he's younger than you (though doesn't act it), and owns you. Get over it.

[flukey lukey]

"go to your happy place" - Happy Guilmore

[Boss]

Well a reasonable solution would be for Ace to send some of his stuff to another eliter to end any controversy.  Seems like with the proven eliters that at some point they have sent off tapes to someone else at least once.

[bcks]

Quote:Here's how the problem can resolve itself: Shut up or go away.

or,

Here's how the problem can resolve itself: Shut up and go away.

I think ace has proven he can get these times, his most amazing run ive ever seen is his villa 107, and nobody thought that was fake.

Did everyone skip over wouters post? he said capturing can drop frames, which is 99.9% what exactly happened here.

Who is to say all plastiques that land upside down will fail, I've seen the bug on frigate complete at some werid angles, and not be touching the heli.

Bryans idea is good, but i think in the long run, 99% of the people here will come to the same results(before or after sending a tape to someone), ACE IS LEGIT!!!

[mrsooreams]

If Ace wants to send tapes then that would be very understanding of him, plus someone could do better captures of them, so that would be cool. But if he can't afford it or just can't be bothered then you can hardly blame him.

[Wouter Jansen]

I'm pretty sure he captures on the go since his vcr broke.. so he'd have to send whatever he has left on his old tapes or something if it's that important. tho I won't be there to support anyone in getting him to send any tapes anywhere.

[Red Bull]

Something needs to be done about Clemens attitude towards Ace.

[Henning Blom]

I dont think he should need to send tapes, he is one of the best proven players IMO and should be trusted enough with those vids we have for 158, 132 etc. And im sure most of us players knows that a very strange "slow" run can give a insane time because you were faster on places you may not notice.

[vitor]

^ Specially on Goldeneye where you have no timer.

[SpiderWaffle]

Dam A-           53        19
Runway A-       22        11
Bunker 1 A-     17        14
Egypt A-         46        9
Egypt SA-       47        21
Egypt 00-       47        20
Surface 2 A-    50        11
Surface 2 SA-  55        6
Cradle SA-      37        8
Cradle 00-      37        7
                            126

= Ace in second place

[Boss]

And he has some of those already (Bunker 17 for sure).

[NathanStinson]

even if something needed to be done, you're in no position to say so.

[flukey lukey]

something needs to be done about my empty stomach

[Thiradell]

I gotta go ahead and chime in with all the others, Clemens. You're really good at GoldenEye, but you're a real idiot sometimes. Just lighten up.

[RWG]

Spiderwaffle, you're an idiot.  I could list a bunch of easy times for myself or Illu that would get us first.  WHOOP DEEFUCKING DOO.  No you cares.


And Clemens, well I say Ace is fake and all that, but its just for the hell of it, to get under his skin and gain some sort of competitive advantage.

I know that nothing will ever get done about him, whether he is fake or not.

You don't seem to realize this.  The elite doesn't care about the games anymore, at least proofwise.  I mean, come on.  No matter what you say or do, you can't get times removed or vids un-legitted or whatever the hell you're trying to do.

Just remember that you yourself are a pretty sketchy eliter and we could call you out too, nothing would get done about you either.

[SpiderWaffle]

Quote:I could list a bunch of easy times for myself or Illu that would get us first.

oh ya? let's see the list.

[octoinky]

Clemens - The-elite would be a better place without you.  You do realize nobody would give a @#%$ if you weren't on the rankings?  You only have ONE untied WR, and aren't even a highly ranked player in points or time.  I bet nobody would even notice.  Go away

[Wyst3r]

Doesn't he have 2 untieds? 1:28 + 1:06?

[octoinky]

Nothing that wont be tied anyway.  Clemens isn't capable of setting the insane bars at the-elite, nor is he a highly ranked player.  Rayan is going to pwn his ass anyway in WR count, and all of Clemens time will be a complete waste without a good rank to show for it.  With an attitude like his, I don't think the-elite would miss him at all.  Point is, unless people give a @#%$ about what you have to say, shut your mouth before insulting some of the communities and gamings finest players who are loads better than you in every aspect of life.

[Grags]

Whether people like to admit it or not, David is up there with the best of them.  The guy speaks his mind, a quality he should never grow out of. One things for sure we all know where we stand with David Clemens.

[flukey lukey]

i just lost some respect for you octo  

David is one of the best players around, i wouldn't be surprised if he was top 5 by the end of the year. well said Graham.

[ajbownes]

Yeah, Dave is a top 5 player whether he is an ass or not. The only reason he isn't up there is because of him not trying some of the levels yet. It's like last year when Mouser was hanging around 100th place because he had missed out loads of levels.

[Matis]

I slowed down on the silo run and it looks like the plastic was more on its side rather then upside down. Kinda looks as if it were leaning on the crate so that i think still completes.

[ParaGod64]

I was about to say if not 1 person but me was gunna stand up for dave than this site is pretty messed up and they just side with the "older/ more respectful" players even if they have terrible viewpoints.

Like octo wtf, how can you say the good players here own dave in every aspect of life when you don't even know what his life is like, thats just a mean and unreasonable way to think of him. you normally don't act that way and I hope you were just mad or something when you made those posts or you will probably lose your respect pretty quick, you lost quite a bit of mine atleast if thats how you really are.

Saying he will never be aligned as "insane" may or may not be true, but he hasn't even been playing a year yet and he's doing quite well in my opinion, no one starts off godly. Give him a chance, in my opinion he's really good with potential, regardless of how long he has been here.

However I do agree he really needs to stop accusing people of cheating when they aren't. Also he needs to stop saying he knows what speed a run is, like he said dam 1:58 "looked like a high 1:59" there's no way you can tell that man, not in such a long level like that where you probably lose hundreths every second due to slightly inoptimal strafe lines and such and no one can perfect. its possible to judge the short levels that are nearly perfect i'm sure, but I really can't see you being able to judge Dam 00A within a second like that, so don't even try to tell me you know that HAD to be a 1:59. Levels like this really are impossible to perfect even on a TAS, down to the hundreth anyway, simply because its impossible to know the fastest frame-by-frame route, just to give you an idea.

He lost  a little respect from me from various posts yeah, but he can easily regain it if he cuts out this everyone cheats buisness. (so does ryan, if he is serious or not I can't really tell)

I think he can and will change his ways, and when he does he will turn out a great GE player who deserves as much respect as the best, i'm more than willing to give him a chance atleast. It seems like very few people are willing to do the same, which is a shame.

[TreAKAHotdog]

dave is good.  but he acts like a fag.  now, when i hear dave clemens, i don't think good player; i think fag.

[vitor]

Quote:shut your mouth before insulting some of the communities and gamings finest players who are loads better than you in every aspect of life

This made my day!

[octoinky]

He's allowed to speak his mind and so am I.  I simply feel he has impacted the-elite in a more negative way than positive.  Obv with the 2nd most WRs, he is a good player and I'm not an idiot I know he only goes for WRs.  Everybody here is unique and their presence is enjoyed for a different reason, be it gaming or not.  I simply don't find much value in Clemens in any aspect of the-elite.

[Lovins]

 Trent

[Thiradell]

If Clemens keeps playing, I could see him becoming #1. He tied Egyptian, he tied Surface 1, he failed Dam 1:17, he got Silo 1:12, Aztec 1:34, and lots more really good stuff. And he's done it all in...what, eight months? Bryan's still better, but...who knows what'll happen?

He certainly isn't useless or not very valuable.

[SpiderWaffle]

Well I got tired of waiting for Ryan to give his list so I went and found all the easiest times he would need:

Dam SA        1:18        4
Dam 00        1:59        6
Facility 00        55        4
Surface 1 00        1:49        5
Bunker 1 00        1:07        5
Surface 2 SA        54        5
Bunker 2 SA        49        6
Bunker 2 00        1:01        3
Statue SA        2:19        7
Statue 00        2:19        7
Depot SA        43        6
Depot 00        51        5
Train A        1:06        6
Train SA        1:31        3
Train 00        1:56        6
Jungle SA        57        2
Jungle 00        58        7
Control A        4:00        2
Control SA        4:14        4
Control 00        4:17        3
Caverns 00        1:40        5
Aztec A        1:34        2
Aztec SA        1:42        2
Egypt A        46        9
Egypt SA        46        5
Egypt 00        46        5
               
                124

= Ryan in first place

[RWG]

thanks

you left out frigate 23, a cakey 6 points

and s2 49, another cake 5


oh yeah I could also get untieds like frigate 00 or streets SA/00A which would all be +3


and why didn't you include some easy WRs like Jungle 52 or S2 128??  Man, getting to first is going to be easier than I thought.

[SpiderWaffle]

I thought about those WRs but I decided these times were easier.  What times do you think are harder than 52 and 1:28?  Maybe Egypt SA and 00?

[RWG]

for me, train 106/156 and control 417 are the hardest times on that list.

edit - jungle 58 too :P

[TreAKAHotdog]

here's my list:

Dam         0:53         1:18         1:59
Facility         0:45         0:54         0:54
Runway         0:22         0:23         0:37
Surface 1         1:03         1:49         1:49
Bunker 1         0:17         0:23         1:07
Silo         1:04         1:12         1:32
Frigate         0:23         1:03         1:11
Surface 2         0:51         0:55         1:30
Bunker 2         0:24         0:50         1:01
Statue         2:19         2:19         2:19
Archives         0:16         0:55         0:55
Streets         1:14         1:56         1:56
Depot         0:26         0:43         0:50
Train         1:03         1:30         1:59
Jungle         0:53         0:57         0:59
Control         3:59         4:11         4:13
Caverns         1:03         1:22         1:38
Cradle         0:34         0:36         0:36
Aztec         1:35         1:43         1:52
Egyptian         0:46         0:46         0:46


= trent in first place

   hell, i'll do one for kevin dick too:

Dam         0:53         1:18         1:59
Facility         0:45         0:54         0:54
Runway         0:22         0:23         0:37
Surface 1         1:03         1:49         1:49
Bunker 1         0:17         0:23         1:07
Silo         1:04         1:12         1:32
Frigate         0:23         1:03         1:11
Surface 2         0:51         0:55         1:30
Bunker 2         0:24         0:50         1:01
Statue         2:19         2:19         2:19
Archives         0:16         0:55         0:55
Streets         1:14         1:56         1:56
Depot         0:26         0:43         0:50
Train         1:02         1:29         1:59
Jungle         0:53         0:57         0:59
Control         3:59         4:11         4:13
Caverns         1:03         1:22         1:38
Cradle         0:34         0:36         0:36
Aztec         1:35         1:43         1:52
Egyptian         0:46         0:46         0:46


= dick in first place