Ryans Dam 53

[D N Clemens]

Word is this run is fake and he never got 53, also if you look at the run youll notice for the endscreen he zooms in on where the time is before showing it, so you never see the actual level name itself. 50% accuracy is right, but thats not easy to fake either. Should probably roll this back.

Also, I dont quite understand why he is able to keep 1:02 on the rankings when 1:03 was untied and 102 best time didnt save. Bryan played for a long time to get runway 37 saved, and I dont understand how you can possibly put a time on the rankings if it isnt saved. I mean, the objectives being completed is merely a glitch because they completed so late, so it should be regarded as a fail IMO. Best time being saved should be a key to a time being legit. I say 1:03 goes back up.

[flukey lukey]

the 53 sounds dodge, i remember watching it once but now it wont play on my computer

im not sure about whether the time saves or not, i mean everything did complete so technically he has earnt the time. the glitch is in the game not saving the time to memory, so i think he should keep 1:02

[TreAKAHotdog]

dude, clemens.  no one cares what you think.  you aren't respected well enough to have an opinion that matters.  shut your mouth.

[Jack]

If the time doesn't save, the mission is a failure. For example,,, Go ahead and start a new file, play up to the end of Facility A. Keep doing this until the time doesn't save. You will note that the game will not unlock runway, and force you to play facility again.

So time doesn't save = mission failed

[SpiderWaffle]

The elite needs to come up with a policy for times that don't save.  As I understand the game needs 1 additional frame after all the objectives complete in order to flag the mission as a success.  I think most people have consider this not a complete mission.  I know Wouter had a lot of discussion about this.  It turns out his guess how the game worked was correct.  I think I remember some facilities times not being counted which did this.

[vitor]

Well, I think that anything that helps the ranks as a whole should be considered. Clemens, you're such a fag. If it happened to you, you'd be like OMG SEE? I COMPLETED EVERYTHING! IT'S NOT FAIR! ACE PWNS ME AND I CANT ACCEPT THAT OMGOMG.

Anyway, I'm up for the policy that allows non-saved times.

[Infected Mind]

"If the time doesn't save, the mission is a failure. For example,,, Go ahead and start a new file, play up to the end of Facility A. Keep doing this until the time doesn't save. You will note that the game will not unlock runway, and force you to play facility again.

So time doesn't save = mission failed "

Actually I have a video of me having facility time not save, and it goes to runway. facility has no checkmarks and runway was unlocked.

[Jack]

"Actually I have a video of me having facility time not save, and it goes to runway. facility has no checkmarks and runway was unlocked."

Bullshit.

[Jimbo]

Clemens, quit making stupid topics on bold subjects. You do realize this is exactly the worst thing you can do, right?

[bcks]

Alex doesn't lie Jack, but his memory could be fuzzy.

Link the vid alex, i don't remember which of your xxxx amount of vids it is.

[Wouter Jansen]

Alex said runway was UNlocked. Jack said it did NOT unlock runway (thus wasn't unloced yet). There's a big difference. The game probably sets some flag for "move on to next level" before doing "adjust best time on level" and "unlock next level" so if runway already is unlocked it would move on (I know it does so in my fac 47 not save). Still, you don't give the game enough time to do everything it should do to complete the run and thus should not count.

[Red Bull]

Well, I watched Ryans Dam, and I think it is not fake.
Before he zooms in you clearly see 'Dam Agent... blah blah, some other stuff.'
Then, when he zooms out a bit, when you see the 0:53, you can indeed see his accuracy (50%), and the first letter 'p' of the weapon he most used (his pp7 silenced). To be honoust, I think in every video there has to be something weird/not right, which does not mean it has to be fake immediately.

So Clemens, please watch some more videos, make 50 topics about every top 10 player (except for your loveable Bryan ofcourse), and tell everybody that he fakes his vids. Apparently, it makes you happy.

Also, I'm just wondering if you mean this whole fake-stuff seriously? If you do, then you're pretty crazy, if you don't, then you're even more of a weirdo than you're already are.

[Grags]

There should be a vote on the 1.02 (to count or not to count) imo the wr should still be 1.03 by Bryan.

As for the 53, it was a smooth run and was clearly 53 speed.

[Henning Blom]

wtf, if that was a Rayan video, like the whole bunch would go cracy and say "its fake'd, edited, remove him from ranks". I dont think this topic is pointless since you can see there's a small cut when he zoom's in, it could maybe be some bug with the camera (atleast Im not a @#%$ assuming things and saying its fake'd right away) but really, why making a video where it suddenly "jumps"? I think goose should remake that 53 video where we can see the whole completition screen at the same time.

And dont go say Im not important enough to have an opinion just because I haven't been on this @#%$ community for 10 years, really, thats childish to say so. imo we all are important enough for that.

[ShadowZero64]

Times not saving = Failure and shouldn't be counted.

[Lark]

Actually, as much as Clemens is a dumbass, he's right on this one. Goose himself told me it wasn't real. He simply used a depot endscreen. He has put 200+ hours into this time aned felt he deserved it.

I normally wouldn't betray Goose; and feel guilty in doing so. But he shouldn't pass Illlu with a fake time. That's just disrespectful to Illu.

I hope Goose is man enough to come out and admit this.

The run was 53 pace and he did a very nice job putting it all together. He was just upset because GE players who were less talented than himself were caking this time. And in true Goose fashion, he pulls something like this. As for as his 102 goes it's completely legit imo.

[RWG]

wow lark + Clem, I was kidding when I said 53 was fake.  I just threw it out there because the vid does look lol.  If you want Ill send Clemens the tape with it on it so he can see for himself...

as for 102, I wont take that down until the elite has a policy about non-saved times.


I told you Clem, you would go insane.  Its how all us good GEers go.  Dont worry though, you're hated for now but in a while it will be alright again

[Lark]

I'm a little disapointed in you Goose. Come on man, I thought you were going to be a man about this.

How would you feel if you got gayed out of 2nd place because the 3rd place guy lied about an 11 POINT time.

EDIT: Okay dude just tell me the real story when you get back. My bad.

[Infected Mind]

I cant get ftp working to thengamer. When someone is on aim who can ill link the video

But in my getfile; ( l34ssl3oost) those are L's

go alex andersonvids then in that folder there is 2 runs

facility glitch, and facility glitch should count.  

One is a short edited version (3mb) other is over 30 mb because I was playing an agent speed run and screwed up on surface 2. so I dont go back to see what happened until then but you can see what I mean after I quit out s2.

The level kept going, and no trace of it ever being beaten(no check mark or saved time) but it was clearly beaten because everything said complete and it moved me on to runway

[Lovins]

Well I dunno about the :53, but I have to side with the 1:02 should not count crowd.

[Wouter Jansen]

I'm my own boss for proven ranks, and not allowing ANY vids that do not fully show end screens. this should only be a problem for webcam vids anyway, but since the goose is loose is gonna have cap card versions of his best times (I'm sure he said he would), we just have to wait till he gets them made (by sending tape or stealing some money being so poor) and see if 53 is fact or fable.

[Thiradell]

I don't think 1:02 should count either.

[vitor]

Why can't goose do another vid (with cam too)?

[Wouter Jansen]

I don't think it's a matter if being able to, but wanting to.

[Your Eliteness]

Perhaps Come/NG should make a poll topic regarding allowing unsaved times and everyone can vote.

Or you could just vote to Ngamer or something and we can do predictions and stuff.

[Wouter Jansen]

how about we all vote if YE is gay, and whatever the result is, it will totally make his sexual preference a fact.

what we need is someone to figure out why it happens (dig through the source code, whatever it takes..), then we can decide if it's legit or not. legitly passing a mission is not a case of opinion, but a case of how the game acts, and that stands as a fact. you can vote as much as you want, facts don't change.

[vitor]

Quote:Or you could just vote to Ngamer or something and we can do predictions and stuff.

[Grags]

Personally I totaly agree with YE, and im guessing the vote majority would favour in nonsaved times NOT on the ranks.

[AZ]

I agree, the nonsaved times should be removed.

[flukey lukey]

if i got depot 50 and it didn't save because i completed 1 frame too early, i would probably kill myself... but if i didn't actually follow through i couldn't stand not having the time save, so i would get 50 for real.

ah, its a tough call really. i mean the mission has been Completed! its just the game didn't have time to save it or such. i say its legit

[Wouter Jansen]

maybe it randomly decided to say completed for an obj which status was actually failed, prove me wrong and you have something to actually argue with.

[SimThreat]

But the problem, Wouter, is that YOU dont have any to argue with.

Imagine that you're paying for a bill via the postal system with a money order. There are 3 steps in this process. The first step is the one involving you going down to the post office, buying the money order and sending the money order off. The second step involves the postal system getting your letter to where-ever it needs to go. The final step is the recipients of the letter to recieve the money order.

Ultimately the goal here is the final step and the two previous steps are simply are way to complete that goal indirectly. So what happens when the letter doesnt arrive? What happens when you have proof that you sent the letter but the letter is never recieved? The fact is, it doesnt matter how much proof you have that the letter was sent. If the letter doesnt arrive you are going to have to send another letter with another money order inside it.

Hopefully you've already applied that scenario to the one at hand. Yes, ryan sent the letter, but we never got it. His beef is with the postal company and he fully accepts the risks when he sends letters through them. I think all postal companies have an insurance policy or something like that to deal with situations like this. That kind of concept cannot be applied here though. Therefore its one of those things you have to be prepared for and understand before you play the game seriously.

-K..

[Wouter Jansen]

I do. it's as simple as, if you don't have anything to show for it being a legit completion (no outro and no time getting saved to best time point to the opposite direction..), then it shouldn't count as legit. therefor we first must know how the game really sees it before we can decide if it's legit or not, and not just randomly vote about it or whatever. if in doubt, it's still unproven, and we all know about the policy about unproven times around here.

[RWG]

Quote:maybe it randomly decided to say completed for an obj which status was actually failed, prove me wrong and you have something to actually argue with.

Hey Wouter.  Maybe it RANDOMLY decided to NOT save the time eventhough everything completed you fucknig slut.  Prove me wrong and you have something to actually argue with.

[octoinky]

I'm sure there is a more logical explanation than "the game randomly decided" to save or not save an objective.  Such as the whole frame thing, etc.  What if your hostage actually died but the game glitched and said complete?  So how do we know your time is even real?  What it boils down to is trusting the game.  If all obj complete messages appear, and your end screen says a certain time, you GOT THAT TIME.

[vitor]

I'm with Goose. Unless you prove that it isn't random, you should accept that it is.

[TreAKAHotdog]

fucknig, haha.  i am going to use this next time i insult someone.

[Wouter Jansen]

how about you all try and read my previous post again. you don't solve anything by being dumb.

[Brucmack]

Well, speaking as an outsider, I don't think they should count. I like seeing vids that show insane runs, executed as perfectly as a human can do. The imperfection of not having an end cinematic and not having the time save makes it an imperfect run.

I guess it depends on what you focus on... personal gain (playing for points) or the combined achievement of the elite. In my opinion, if you are dedicated to the second, you have to put that extra effort into making the records as clean as possible. Isn't this why Bryan spent so much time redoing his Runway :37?

[reTylersis]

Dan Berube's 0:53 is fake as well.  You must be a n00b if you didn't know that you're allowed to lie on Dam Agent.

[SpiderWaffle]

It's not random at all.  The game requires 1 extra frame after all the objectives are completed in order to flag the mission as successful.  Without this extra frame the mission is flagged as failed.

[RWG]

How sure are you?  Would you bet your mother's life on it?

[Jack]

I'd bet my own!

Seriously, swaff's summary is exactly how unsaved times work. It's no different than failing, say, Frigate because of hostages; IE you left the level too soon for Obj A to complete. With unsaved times, it's the same thing, you left too soon (albeit only 1/60th of a second too soon) for the _mission_ to be completed successfully, and thus the time does not save.

[ParaGod64]

hmm.. if thats how it works, i'm all for un-saved times being illegit, it sounds the most reasonable.

[RWG]

are we 100% sure the reason times do not save is because the objective needed 1 more frame to complete?

[Matthijs Triep]

If it's true, then one of the guys with an emulator could probably make a video, which shows not waiting a frame and then use the same savestate to show that waiting a frame makes it save.

But the people in charge need to make a rule for this, else this will happen again, again and again.

[Infected Mind]

A proven video of this theory would be good. Showing it on both levels would be a bonus (Fac and Frigate)

[ShadowZero64]

It sounds like a reasonable explanation.

[bcks]

Quote:A proven video of this theory would be good. Showing it on both levels would be a bonus (Fac and Frigate)

I betcha it can happen on jungle, depot, and control aswell.

[Thiradell]

Jungle? I could see it happening on Runway SA and Train with some tremendous timing also.