ATTN. HENRIK, NEW AZTEC STRAT

[SpiderWaffle]

Henrick, how did your pp7 strat work where you got the guard behind the mainframe to go to the glass?  How long does it take?  Can you make a video?

I have a new strategy which when combined with your trick I think has a good chance of getting that guard to open the glass.

[RWG]

remember I was the one who originally did it.  Henrik just changed from the Ar33 to the PP7 for consistency :P


basically you stand by the glass.  The mainframe has to have been opened.  You wait for it to close (you can close it manually but it's harder) and this is what has to happen:

you're standing touching the glass

you shoot ONE PP7 bullet near his head as the mainframe is between 50% and 75% closed

you run to where we pause and stuff, really fast

he goes to the glass



There it is.  Maybe Henrik can make a vid or me later maybe.  I'm waiting for this strat swaff.  Don't let me down.  It's an easy 30 points on Illu if I'm the first to succeed with it

[Lovins]

That was Steven Zwartjes's strat, that he (supposedly) did 1:31 on Agent with. That was before Bryan showed up with the more consistent strat.

[Wouter Jansen]

Quote:Maybe Henrik can make a vid or me later maybe.

Why would he make you? One of you is more than enough.

[SpiderWaffle]

Well I think I can explain the other part fairly shortly and you should understand.  You can lure any of the first five guards you encounter to go to the glass by using the stone door just like you use the mainframe.  Have the guards see you by the open stone door, close it and run fast to the glass, stay there for a while, depending on how safe you want to be, then hide behind the console or mainframe and they will run to the glass if done right.

The problem with this is that I think it takes the guards too long to run there, I could be wrong though.

However, I believe if you do this, then bring the mainframe guard to the glass, he could open it by himself.  Reason: weve seen one guard open the glass all the time, he just needs other guards that want to get to the same spot as him.

[Wouter Jansen]

why not make noise for exhaust guard first and then attract him with a single shot or so? would be much faster, if that's all that it takes..

[Illu]

Henrik is probably pissed that you wrote his name with ck, it's supposed to be just with k... Henrik, he's been saying that before too.

But just someone find that strat out and gimme the vid to show it so I can try it out, if I'm too tired to try myself.

[SpiderWaffle]

Quote:why not make noise for exhaust guard first and then attract him with a single shot or so? would be much faster, if that's all that it takes..

To get the exhaust guards don't you have to be past the mainframe?  Also, if the mainframe is open, which it sounds like it has to be, won't that alert the mainframe guard?

[Wyst3r]

You can attract one of them just outside the mainframe, but it's still kinda useless since that guard doesn't want to go to the glass.

Also, is it proven that it's the other guards that make it possible for them to open glass? And don't they need to be kinda close to glass for it to work? Also, the mainframe guard will never run into the glass, he'll just stand there.

Btw, As far as i now this wasn't Steven's strat since he really didn't have a strat. I mean, he explained the strat like 3 times and explained it diffrently each time

So yeah, a strat is not a strat unless it works.

[RWG]

why can't you just lure 2 or 3 guards from behind the stone door instead??

[SpiderWaffle]

Quote:why can't you just lure 2 or 3 guards from behind the stone door instead??

You could, but as I said I think they run too slow, but I could be wrong.

[Lovins]

I don't see how you could get guards from the beginning to go to the glass using the stone door. It's not the same as using the MF. Don't you have to make it to the glass before the door closes so that is the last place they see you and thus memorize that as your position? If so you couldn't close the stone door then make it all the way to the glass before it closed, like we can do with the MF. I guess you could rely on when it closes itself, but not sure if the timing would work out good for that.

Besides, if you don't use the exhaust bay guards, then you have to deal w/them later, which would mean you couldn't pause in the exhaust bay, and if you shoot to get their attention so as to eliminate them on the way, then there will be guard(s) in the vents (right?).

Well now that I think of it I guess the only way would be to run into exhaust bay, shoot out comp and likely get boosted thru explosion, and maybe pause after turning left out of the drone's sight. But still depends on if stone door thing works and is even faster anyways.

[SpiderWaffle]

The stone door works as I have already said I have done it...

The guards don't go to where they last saw you; they go to where you are about 4 seconds from when they last saw you.  This is why in every Aztec video you will notice the player waits for at least four seconds at the glass.

[Wouter Jansen]

that wait isn't needed..

[Lovins]

I've always thought waiting at the glass was because in order for a guard to memorize that spot you have to be stationary for a certain amount of time at that spot. At least that's what was believed when the strat was discovered. If that's not how it works and it's how you say it is, then why do we close the door then rush to the glass, risking getting hit? If they memorize the spot that Bond is at 4 seconds or whatever after he disappears from view, you are saying you could run around and then just touch the glass at that 4 second mark and instantly leave and it would still work?

Maybe I just missed something in the 3.5 years I was gone.

[SpiderWaffle]

There is no risk of getting hit if you do it right, illu even runs to the glass in dark lkta video, this is the safest and best thing to do to get them to see you, that's why it's done.  Remember they have to see you.  You could go do whatever you want for 4 seconds, but there's nothing to do except pause.  Also if you time it wrong it will miss things up.  Also not every guard sees you and the same time so you need to be at the glass for a time period.  Staying at the glass adds consistency.  If you leave too early the guards will go to you or go to some place between the glass and you.