Author Topic: The Cinema Show (Read 5621 times)

flukey lukey · « **on:** February 21, 2007, 01:48:00 am »

is Cinema really the new way?! i just watched a Bunker 2 0:25 which looked absolutely terrible played with cinema. this could mean Goldeneye vids from now on look retarded, but also mean the total time gets totaled. what do you think

Boss · « **Reply #1 on:** February 21, 2007, 01:56:00 am »

Yeah get used to it.

flukey lukey · « **Reply #2 on:** February 21, 2007, 02:30:00 am »

the best i can get on caverns with cinema is 1:05

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #3 on:** February 21, 2007, 10:14:00 am »

so? I could only get like 1:22+ on dam sa with 1.2

flukey lukey · « **Reply #4 on:** February 21, 2007, 11:01:00 am »

amazing... anyway i really hate Cinema mode and will never play it again it looks so stupid anyway.

DrugAgainstAngst · « **Reply #5 on:** February 21, 2007, 02:16:00 pm »

I agree, the most it can save is a thousanth if even anything (i personally dont think it saves anything). I think its more a matter of making certain levels easier to see, and thus seems easier, or is for the person if it works better with their "forte". But for me, cinema looks lame as hell and i cant play worth @#%$ with it.

Infected Mind · « **Reply #6 on:** February 21, 2007, 02:26:00 pm »

It saves .3 on bunker 2 agent

Henning Blom · « **Reply #7 on:** February 21, 2007, 02:34:00 pm »

how come it saves .3 on b2 agent?

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #8 on:** February 21, 2007, 02:39:00 pm »

I assume by being faster..

anyway.. if such a small level already has significant gain, then this could really be much like lookdown.

Lovins · « **Reply #9 on:** February 21, 2007, 02:48:00 pm »

Let's just ban it for being too gay

DrugAgainstAngst · « **Reply #10 on:** February 21, 2007, 02:56:00 pm »

Actually Alex...isnt that 1.2? I dont think something like cinema could really save .3....but 1.2 yes. Unless you did vid comparisons of both 1.2 and 1.1 then i guess i must agree with you.

dragondragon18 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 21, 2007, 03:02:00 pm »

Alex uses 1.2 on bunker2. His comparison is 1.2 regular vs 1.2 cinema I'd assume.

Infected Mind · « **Reply #12 on:** February 21, 2007, 03:09:00 pm »

i was playing 1.2 widescreen for a day

then I played 1.2 cinema, and yes It IS .3 faster
then 1.2 with widescreen. and if widescreen > regular, then theres even more difference

DrugAgainstAngst · « **Reply #13 on:** February 21, 2007, 03:15:00 pm »

I say get :24 1.2 normal mode. I mean even if you got 24 with cinema, it wouldnt feel like much of an accomplishment would it? Thats like cheating on a math test or using pills to get a bigger ****.

Infected Mind · « **Reply #14 on:** February 21, 2007, 03:18:00 pm »

lol? How is it cheating. Might as well ban widescreen too. I feel more comfortable using this view also anyways. probly will use it from now on

DrugAgainstAngst · « **Reply #15 on:** February 21, 2007, 03:21:00 pm »

Oh gee i dunno, i suppose a boosts worth of time isnt counted as cheating? Hm, maybe I'll buy a gameshark and get dam 49 or something. Well i guess calling it cheating is a bit extreme, Ill give you that, but really the fact is bryan got it without cinema and a 24 with cinema just isnt the same record. its the same time but the record is 24 with cinema. so even so, 24 will still be untied in my mind, until someone gets it no cinema mode.

Infected Mind · « **Reply #16 on:** February 21, 2007, 03:36:00 pm »

if its in the game its not cheating. Adapt.

doubt its viable on many levels, unless you really want to learn how to play it. so far I can only use it on b2 and archives. which i got another 55 with.

It seems to vary level to, though probly because strafe lines are hard to follow, I couldnt get depot 26, though i never did have a decent train shot, and my strafe liens were always innacurate. But for levels like train, bunker 2, archives, facility, or anything else really tight, im sure it will be useful

If we found out ammo on screen caused .3 time saver, I know you wouldnt bitch about it, and would use right away cause its more conventional, but cinema, its basically like learning a new control style.

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #17 on:** February 21, 2007, 03:38:00 pm »

I have much more wrs if it weren't for new tricks and strats etc etc. are you that blind?

DrugAgainstAngst · « **Reply #18 on:** February 21, 2007, 03:45:00 pm »

If I played with Cinema i might go blind.

And no ammo on screen? lol thats unacceptable for me, Id never use it.

This reminds me of when i switched to 1.2. Really 1.2 just makes things smoother. Its hard to aim at a guards head or something on 1.1 for me, and on levels like surface 1 (locks) its obviously faster. However, i just find it makes speed running a million times more enjoyable. I can see why using cinema is cool if you actually like it, but making the game less fun for a better time just seems unethical to me. Ive always been a man of honor, i guess. Cinema is just ***** ****.

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #19 on:** February 21, 2007, 03:53:00 pm »

1.2 is **** to me, so should we ban that too eh? if you can't see how it compares, then you must've been circumsized.

Infected Mind · « **Reply #20 on:** February 21, 2007, 03:57:00 pm »

I prefer cinema on Bunker 2 Agent, archives its a little weird but playable. Stuff like depot its to complicated to bother with myself. If other people want to thats cool with me

DrugAgainstAngst · « **Reply #21 on:** February 21, 2007, 04:26:00 pm »

well like I said, if you enjoy it i dont see anything wrong with it. I think its cheap regardless, but whatever.

Then again, maybe the pain you suffer learning it makes better times worth it, lol.

Brucmack · « **Reply #22 on:** February 21, 2007, 04:36:00 pm »

Well, speaking as a lurker who just likes to watch vids and stuff, I think cinema looks pretty cool, actually... It shows the same height, but more width, so what's the problem?

Could it be faster because it reduces lag? I mean, the console doesn't have to put out as many pixels, since a large portion of the screen is just black... Would make sense...

DrugAgainstAngst · « **Reply #23 on:** February 21, 2007, 04:38:00 pm »

^ Yeah, thats exactly why its faster.

I'm gonna try dam agent for fun with this...see if 53 is easier or something. I have 3 53's anyway, but I am interested.

things i suggest be tested:

- Depot 00 box shot
- Dam SA alarm shots

Cervone · « **Reply #24 on:** February 21, 2007, 05:14:00 pm »

Well my thought was always the game might output less pixels, but it has to process more of the scenery, since your perspective is wider.

Infected Mind · « **Reply #25 on:** February 21, 2007, 05:25:00 pm »

Bunker 2 just shows more wall. Archives too pretty much. Could only help these 2 stages you never know

Wyst3r · « **Reply #26 on:** February 21, 2007, 07:02:00 pm »

Just wondering Alex, how can you know the diffrence is .3? I mean that's a pretty exact number.

ajbownes · « **Reply #27 on:** February 21, 2007, 07:41:00 pm »

I tried it for Train and found myself to be a lot more consistent with hitting brakes and locks (two things I'm not good at).

I don't think it's cheap. If it reduces lag then so what?. Isn't that the same reason why people use lookdown?

DrugAgainstAngst · « **Reply #28 on:** February 21, 2007, 07:57:00 pm »

Lookdown doesnt really ruin fun though. Makes things easier actually since you can see where to strafe better.

ajbownes · « **Reply #29 on:** February 21, 2007, 08:05:00 pm »

I wouldn't say ruin fun. I think that this will be one of those things that after a while you won't even notice the huge borders.

You know, it sounds weird me saying that considering I hate widescreen movies with a passion for that same reason (the borders that is)

Wouter Jansen · « **Reply #30 on:** February 21, 2007, 08:07:00 pm »

just admit it already, if it is cheap, then so is anything else that is used to save time, including 1.2

I don't think something that takes getting used to (you sound scared of switching to it yourself..) is cheap. maybe you being scared of having to switch eventually makes you try to ignore it etc, but then you should realize I've been in the same boat for over years with needing to switch to 1.2, which I still haven't really

DrugAgainstAngst · « **Reply #31 on:** February 21, 2007, 08:17:00 pm »

I guess. I mean we are speed running here. But really i have fun anyway and if i cant have fun with cinema, whatever. I know I'd never get a train record, anyway. and Im pretty sure only Train can significantly benefit from this since its very laggy. but dam sa might significantly benefit as well. if those alarm shots are faster then 117 just got a world easier.

Wyst3r · « **Reply #32 on:** February 21, 2007, 08:20:00 pm »

For Train, Locks are definately harder with Cinema. Brakes might be easier though.

ajbownes · « **Reply #33 on:** February 21, 2007, 08:20:00 pm »

Do you think it would make shooting cameras easier aswell?

Thiradell · « **Reply #34 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:24:00 am »

Personally, I play games to have fun, not so I can frustratingly learn new Control Styles and viewing options to get slightly better times. Like, Aztec 00. The only reason I played that level for so long is because 8:05 is a horrible time and I knew I was capable of a time around 3:00, which happened to be exactly what I got. I bet you that I never get a better time on that level as long as I live. I may never play it again (at least not seriously). If I learned 1.2 and spent more time with CC and things like that, I bet I could be a lot better at GoldenEye. But it wouldn't be much fun anymore. It'd be like a job; a duty. I never want video games to be a duty in my life.

RK · « **Reply #35 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:34:00 am »

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Personally, I play games to have fun, not so I can frustratingly learn new Control Styles and viewing options to get slightly better times. Like, Aztec 00. The only reason I played that level for so long is because 8:05 is a horrible time and I knew I was capable of a time around 3:00, which happened to be exactly what I got. I bet you that I never get a better time on that level as long as I live. I may never play it again (at least not seriously). If I learned 1.2 and spent more time with CC and things like that, I bet I could be a lot better at GoldenEye. But it wouldn't be much fun anymore. It'd be like a job; a duty. I never want video games to be a duty in my life.

^^ INDEED!

flukey lukey · « **Reply #36 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:35:00 am »

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"Streets A 1:15! (1 second cut) taped ... used cinema"

...i can barely get 1:15, wtf is this. ah, he used Cinema :lol

Lovins · « **Reply #37 on:** February 22, 2007, 12:40:00 am »

IMO this cinema thing is pretty gay, but to say it's cheating and to compare it to GAMESHARK is just stupid, it's a game/control setting no different than using 1.2 instead of 1.1. I would consider both lookdown and cruise control more fair to be considered "cheating" than cinema.

It sucks if I, and all the top ranked players have wasted so many hours on normal mode with something like this found, but like Wouter said stuff like that has happened many times, so what can you do? Like he said, just gotta adapt.

Infected Mind · « **Reply #38 on:** February 22, 2007, 01:44:00 am »

Wouldnt worry about it, Only Train Archives and Bunker 2 seem to benefit from my experiences. I cant control the other levels maybe thats why, but I dont think its gonna have a huge impact

oh ya the .3 thing is based on my quit outs at glass door. the watch was ALWAYS about .3 behind where it should have been (in the 50 hours ive played before) then all of a sudden EVERY RUN was that much faster. I never complete 26s anymore, unless the warp was missed. EVERY run is 25 or 26 no warp. Before it was at best 50/50 between 25/26, usually 26 if the run was meh. Now its guaranteed 25.

AND

Archives. Its definately faster. I failed 3 55s in a row, one had 5 stucks and no boost.....

And about that 55 fail i posted earlier, well watch this!

I ran the run till the beep of the key obtain, then swapped the vid with another run (cinema) with the key obtain. I swapped it with a Dostevei finish, to cancel out any possible gain from an innacurate switch. Though i was in the hundreths of frames here, so its friggen accurate.

The result u ask?

well watch for yourself. I beat my 55 SA by 1 second!

Mind you the 55 had shot doors, different start and no boost. I still am 100% sure cinema is faster. This proves that 54 will happen, and if anyone wants to get it before I do, feel free. Im working for b2 24 mainly first. then 54s.

THE VID

Infected Mind · « **Reply #39 on:** February 22, 2007, 02:18:00 am »

That vid didnt turn out so accurate as i wanted.

To see more of what I was trying to interperet watch:

The regular comparison

Then an ending comparison

I took each end from the frame where the beep sound was present. It looks weird but I made extra sure they both started at the same time

Together its about 1s faster then that first 55, which is just to show 54 is possible. Also, I was stuck when i got that boost so yeah -_-

All vids are 521 Kbs, so they run at the same speed, and they were both captured from the same vcr, so its as accurate as its gonna get

vitor · « **Reply #40 on:** February 22, 2007, 05:50:00 am »

OMG!

It's faster!

Simon-Sternis · « **Reply #41 on:** February 22, 2007, 06:19:00 am »

Damn, impressive, yah. =)

DrugAgainstAngst · « **Reply #42 on:** February 22, 2007, 01:53:00 pm »

Interesting.

There should jsut be a seperate rankings for Cinema.

TheLegendaryPSR · « **Reply #43 on:** February 22, 2007, 02:07:00 pm »

might as well have a separate ranking page for 1.2 users as well.

and separate ones for those who don't use the aztec glitch etc.

it's a waste of time. it's not like the advantages PAL perfect dark players have

people aren't really getting an unfair advantage just because others don't want to use it.

if people can see that it's faster, and they refuse to use it, then they don't really have much right to complain about it

i tried it once, got 1:18 on streets...it was a bad run

dragondragon18 · « **Reply #44 on:** February 22, 2007, 02:20:00 pm »

Then you'll need a special ranking for people that strafe, and for people that use the A button :lol

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TheLegendaryPSR · « **Reply #45 on:** February 22, 2007, 02:22:00 pm »

no, that would be silly

flukey lukey · « **Reply #46 on:** February 22, 2007, 02:35:00 pm »

cinema works great on train and streets for me

AEB · « **Reply #47 on:** February 22, 2007, 02:36:00 pm »

It's Not unfair or anything.

Infected Mind · « **Reply #48 on:** February 22, 2007, 02:36:00 pm »

Cool, I knew train helped, didnt know streets. That could be good for getting 155s.

Someone get at it

TheLegendaryPSR · « **Reply #49 on:** February 22, 2007, 02:47:00 pm »

to be honest, i'm not sure how it helps on streets

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